Grounds exist for denying Trump a run for office, and for expelling members of Congress who ......

....planned or aided or abetted the Jan 6 insurgency.


First, Trump proved his contempt for the Constitution and the USA it represents by trying to illegally violate the Constitutional process of turning over the presidency to the next lawfully elected winner of the election.

Secondly, it has now been shown that Trump was the main driver of the insurrection.

Third, he was known to have said to let the people with weapons onto Capitol grounds.

Fourth, he was known to have said that the people with guns and weapons were fine to enter because they weren't there to harm him, meaning he knew they were there to harm someone else.

Fifth, even though his own staff and advisors and trusted friends repeatedly asked him to call in the National Guard or do something to stop the insurgency, he did nothing but watch and later tell the participants "we love you".



Each one of those is a violation of his oath of office, and any of them would be sufficient to put him in prison and stop him from ever running for any public office again.


Meanwhile, AOC is calling for the expulsion of any member of congress involved in planning the insurgency. That seems mild. They should be sent to prison.

It's up to the DOJ. Will Garland take action? Yesterday he said this is a very big deal and we "have to get this right". We'll see.


[Edit: the presentation of the hearings tonight sounds like it is going to lock all this in and make a compelling case for Garland.]

 

If you could pair up some of your opinions with laws and prove that he broke them that would probably go a long way.

A congress member who was recently arrested has not much credibility

 

It all stops in January. I am far more interested in seeing what the House can do to discipline its own members between now and then if anything, than I am with Trump. The best we can hope for without a supermajority is stripping members of committee assignments based on ethics violations and they will be returned once the Republican House takes control. And of course referring damning information of any potential lawbreaking to the DOJ and their respective state AG's office.

 

"Grounds exist for denying Trump a run for office . . . ."

That there is the whole reason for the 1/6 Kangaroo Court. It's nice to at least know someone can be honest about what the hearings are really about. If the Committee fails to "get" Trump what's next?

 

It's an "insurgency" now?...lol

 

It's whatever it has to be to achieve political ends.

 

I don't think that's really true. It is a bit of a matter of perspective.

I will concede it was a dirty attempt to try to get other electors. But that was not really going to "trick" anyone who was actually in charge of making the decision, since it's a simple matter to see who states actually appointed as their electors.

Trump may have been pushing hard to make a bad decision, but in the end he didn't actually end up going ahead with that decision.

Besides, I doubt 95% of those on the Left in this forum actually understand the Constitutional reasons why what Trump did would have been bad.

 

The Democrats prove their contempt for the Constitution every day. The OP proves it.

 

That is not really his obligation.

Your argument seems to be he did not do anything to stop it, not that he had an obligation or responsibility to stop it, or that he really did anything to cause it.

 

Not really a crime, is it?

Come on, you know there is no evidence that is true.

Guess what? The President is not in charge of the Congress building's security, nor does he control Capitol police.

 

tRaitor tRump DID "go through with it", we have a Republic today because Vice President Pence didn't.

In DC the National Guard IS his obligation AND responsibility. As President he has an obligation to protect and defend The United States ... even from his own followers.

Yes, it is a crime to bring firearms into DC.

You must of missed Rusty Bower's, Brad Raffensperger and Gabe Sterling's testimony; there IS plenty of evidence.

Guess what the President IS in charge of the Security of These United States, every bit of it.

 

Sounds like it was Pence's duty and Pence's responsibility.

Now, did Trump offer to bribe Pence or threaten him?

I think Congress is ultimately the one responsible for certifying the Electoral College results anyway, not Pence.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hi...sident-plays-certifying-electoral-college.amp

 

None of the above opinion is true

 

IT was Pence's responsibility, tRaitor tRump tried to corrupt Pence to get him to ignore the Consitution and not count the Electoral Votes; Yes, he called his mob on him.

Congress with Pence in Charge.

 

All of it is TRUE.

 

You're deflecting from the issue.
We're talking about whether it's a crime for Trump.

Was he in charge of the security at the Congress building?

 

No, it’s not.

 

It really hasn't.

 

TRaitor tRump not only condoned them, but tried to enable them; completely contrary to his oath of office. This thread is about his actions disqualifying him from running for office again. His actions did and do.

 

What exactly did he do to "enable" them?

 

Well they need to start on the rumour push on DeSantis being a racist bigot sexist pedo...

 

Every item in the OP is true.
First, Trump proved his contempt for the Constitution and the USA it represents by trying to illegally violate the Constitutional process of turning over the presidency to the next lawfully elected winner of the election.
tRaitor tRump never acknowleged President Biden's election win and left Washington without greeting the New President to the White House, breaking with time honored tradition. In fact shut down the White House before he skulked off to Florida so that the Biden's were locked out.
Secondly, it has now been shown that Trump was the main driver of the insurrection.
AG Rosen, and many other White House staffers have supported this claim.
Third, he was known to have said to let the people with weapons onto Capitol grounds.
He knew the insurrectionists were armed and told them to "fight like hell" anyway.
Fourth, he was known to have said that the people with guns and weapons were fine to enter because they weren't there to harm him, meaning he knew they were there to harm someone else.
This has been verrified in sworn tesitmony.
Fifth, even though his own staff and advisors and trusted friends repeatedly asked him to call in the National Guard or do something to stop the insurgency, he did nothing but watch and later tell the participants "we love you".
Proven in sworn testimony many times.
Each one of those is a violation of his oath of office, and any of them would be sufficient to put him in prison and stop him from ever running for any public office again.
TRUE
Meanwhile, AOC is calling for the expulsion of any member of congress involved in planning the insurgency. That seems mild. They should be sent to prison.
True
It's up to the DOJ. Will Garland take action? Yesterday he said this is a very big deal and we "have to get this right". We'll see.
True
[Edit: the presentation of the hearings tonight sounds like it is going to lock all this in and make a compelling case for Garland.]
We'll see, tonight, if this is true.

 

Guilty as charged, huh?

Yep, sounds criminal to me...
How dare he break time honored tradition.

I don't think there is a law that he has to leave him the key when he leaves office.

The security will let him in if they get an order from the Vice President, or if both Houses of Congress order them to. Or probably even if the Treasury Secretary tells them to.

Plus, in a worst case scenario, Biden could still theoretically function as President even if he were not allowed in the White House.

 

He told the Secret Service to take down their Magnetic detectors.

 

I'm not convinced they see Desantis as a serious threat. He hasn't taken a stroll through the WH while Joe was out of the country.