Guide to creating a socialist utopia

Maybe. We won't know until we try it.

 

But I don't want to try it. I want to be free and left alone. If someone forces me to try it I will resist and someone, probably me, will be harmed.

 

A socialist "utopia" requires the abandonment of individual rights and responsibilities. It requires we abandon natural rights for the collective which is nothing more than a revolution against the founding of this country, the first country in the world that produced a government for the people and by the people and going back to centralized control of people.

 

One form of socialism where a central authority controlled production and used the people to provide equally to that production who received equal compensation in the form of necessary subsistence was already abandoned in this country in 1863.

 

I've never had my esoteric spitballing so abruptly rejected. A trifle disconcerting, Empress...is there another realm?

 

Probably for the same reason that the media and conservatives decided that OWS should be defined by that one guy that pooped on a cop car.

That's all those guys were trying to do, too -- correct the problem. But since we all agree that the media is heavily invested in the problem ... come to think of it, so are all the politicians on all sides ...

 

I mean yours. Already know mine will work.

 

Basically, the "problem" OWS is trying to "correct" is not having something along the lines of FDR's 2nd Bill of "Rights"...or more centrally mandated and managed collectivism....government "guaranteed", taxpayer funded "security".

They've only cloaked their pro-collectivist / pro-Big Labor / anti-capitalist stance in the current set of villains progressive leftists have manufactured to deflect from their deep complicity in the housing meltdown...

had they directed their ire at DC....the true villains...I would have dusted off my old radical leftist hat, and fully supported the movement. (my generation's leftists were hugely anti-establishment / anti-authoritarianism.....modern leftists are authoritarian, big central planning, confiscation/redistribution collectivists)

 

Your comments are baffling. Those sort of things are perfectly legal in the US right now, and probably also a lot of other countries if you don't happen to live here. You don't need to ban other peoples freedoms, or move to different countries that won't take you or anything like that.

Spiritual "back to basics" communes were actually popular a few decades ago, as were cooperatives for different reasons. Granted they've been drying up, because given freedom of choice people left those communes and the cooperatives went corporate, but there are still some left.

And in any case you could always kick off your own (actually, that sounds like a good way to spend a summer after college).

However before you do, or before you try stripping others of their freedoms, you should face the realities of the past. It's like you don't like being stuck on the ground, and instead of thinking things through and figuring out how to build an airplane, you want others to just hold hands and leap off a cliff expecting nasty gravity to leave you alone this time.

 

Dear GOD. I'm not trying to take anyone's god(*)(*)(*)(*) freedoms.

 

You really need to find yourself a girl, mate

 

You can't get there from here if part of the process involves human beings and still have products that are safe and reliable.

 

I know that socialism is not Marx baby I've made that point on this forum many time. However, Marx assertion that all value added to goods is labor and therefore labor alone should own the means of production has become universal to most all academic forms of socialism. It was this assertion of Marx that I was specifically addressing. So now that I have addressed your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) tangent will you please step up like you've got a pair and address the point instead of acting like your typical mealy mouthed socialist.

 

So your answer then is no you won't...

 

Nope. Why should I? You won't listen, you'll just vomit more pure conjecture with no evidence.

Happens all the time around here.

 

That would be a socialist dystopia.

 

No I'm sorry that a load of (*)(*)(*)(*). Educate yourself instead of listening to your idiot pundits like Rush and Palin. This whole idea of "induvidualism" is absurd. At least the way republicans perceive it.

 

They did direct their ire at DC. But in aiming an equal amount of ire at Wall Street, they earned the wrath of the right-wingers.

Leftism hasn't changed. The media is just convincing all the right-wingers that they're William Wallace when they're really Robert the Bruce.

 

For me both capitalism and socialism have they're drawbacks. I've joked in the past that we are stuck between the robber barons and chairman Mao. The difference is, I can trust bust the robber barons, Mao puts a bullet in my head and "re-educates" my children.

Of course capitalism has the upside of increased wealth and prosperity, experienced most recently by that stronghold of socialism China.

 

yeah right in yur socilaist utopia you will eventually possibly have the right to get wrecked on the concotion of your choice provided your state planners don't find it too expensive to deal with the results of your choice and the result to screw your brains out with whomever will tolerate your presence until your central planners decide the treatment of all the STD's is becoming to burdensome but the central planners will decide how much money you can make given your job discription, when, where, and how to educate your children, what is and is not propaganda, what size car you can drive assuming they let you drive one, what you eat and the portion sizes you are permitted and virtually every other aspect of your life. Basically in the end you will be entirely free from any responsibility for anything and you will be to all intents and purposes a slave. Oh your collar may be silk or cotton instaed of cast iron or steel, but you will be none-the-less a slave.

 

Please read the post carefully :3
I'm advocating a transition to market socialism, and from there we start to change the economy to being cooperatively managed. Technically worker cooperatives are still businesses, and would remain so in Market Socialism - that would change in the next transition to "pure" socialism.

 

My English teacher would note the run on sentences in your post, try to use more full stops :3

I am advocating a change in economic system. Not political system. I believe we can achieve this change though being democratically elected. Under socialism you would have more freedom, both economically and politically. If people voted for a police state then that's what they'll get, but I am not advocating that and socialism does not stand for it.

 

Yes, it's called totalitarian democracy, basically, tyranny with a smiley face.

 

What, specifically, are you equating with "totalitarian democracy".