Then stay there. Over here, we have real freedom, and the right to own a firearm is sacrosanct, and that's not gonna change.
Of course there is a difference, but the person is just as dead. Some people want to target guns under the guise that they are the cause of violence. They are not. Murder is the issue, not guns, at least to those whose concerns aren't partisan political.
So accidental gun deaths and suicide - both of which fell after Australia enacted it's gun laws - both of those are inconsequential??
Outlawing stairs would prevent people from falling down them and dying, but that does not mean that stairs are responsible for people's own recklessness.
You are being misleading. Intentionally? What you say about suicide falling after the gun ban IS true. But it was already falling before the ban, and the slope of the decrease did not change. Statistically speaking, there is no significant difference in the trend of suicide rates post-ban. People just went to different methods.
Well it seems that myth isn't true..I posted data in which both are rising in Australia. Nice try though
Be careful there is a difference between attempted suicide and suicide. Suicide is more likely to be successful if a gun is used But this thread was not to be about numbers - which have been argued to death but an attempt to find WHY Americans have such a different and distinct view of guns
Of course there is. But I'm not talking about attempted suicides, I'm talking about successful ones. Yes, they dropped after the gun ban. But they were dropping BEFORE the gun ban, and continued to drop at the same rate, not a higher one. We view the right to self defense as innate. As I type these words, I have a loaded 9mm pistol within arms reach. While I've shot it at many paper and metal targets, I haven't so much as pointed it, much less used it, against a human. I hope I never have to. I expect that I will never have to. But, should the unexpected, and statistically unlikely situation occur, I'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it. I've been around guns my whole life. I was in the military. The mere presence of a gun does not cause me angst. It's just a tool.
Wrong...there were no attempts to debunk it...just excuses...sorry but both your hatred of American gun laws and the NRA are becoming crystal clear.....your prejudice is showing. You could though provide proof of the debunking if you like
How did we get off topic? Has the gun debate been round the same trees so often than the ruts will not let people think outside the track?
Advertising on TV/internet/print = clearly free speech. If you don't like it, don't watch/read it. Not really relevant to myself, as I don't watch TV or read the paper (except at work) - and the government has no ability to touch the internet even if it wanted to.
Maybe I am missing it but I never see gun advertisement in MSM. They are certainly glorified in our action movies and video games but the thing about the American entertainment industry is it is exported all over the world. It is one of the few industries in which we still excel. So people in Western Europe are watching all those violent American movies and playing our games.
I've only ever seen one gun manufacturer advertise on television. I don't recall the name of the company.
Apparently Bowerbird is ignoring my point that criminals are the problem and not guns. Tsk tsk and here we thought based on the OP that she really wanted to talk about ways to reduce gun deaths. Translation: Only if reducing gun deaths is done by reducing guns does she want to have a conversation.
basically what bowerbird is saying it perfectly ok to get raped and stabbed to death as long as no gun is used. if you use a gun for any reason you are the criminal and should be punished, that is why she states it does not matter how many die it only counts if guns are used. She also ignores facts that many countries that have banned guns have higher suicide rates. she also ignores that fact when she says all gun deaths that includes police killing criminals and civilians killing criminals in self defense. she claims she has no agenda but it is obvious she does.
No that is not what Bowerbird is saying because THAT is a straw man argument - - - Updated - - - No, Bowerbird is trying to keep the thread on track
All, in all honesty the liberal media is not going to ever, ever, EVER advertise guns or ammo. Hell will freeze over before this happens. The NFL will not allow the Daniels Defense company to advertise during the Super Bowl and the commercial deals with protecting your family not about guns.
there is no advertising of firearms on tv. Like you, it is only in magazines. There is the once a year advertising for gun shows in some areas, but no outright advertising a particular firearm. There are no meme's during the advertising. There are no "displays" of weapons being fired The NRA, your favorite, doesn't advertise nationally for anything. We, here in the States, have little control over any advertising . Rather your attention should focus on Hollywood for the cool violence they pump out. This most people who aren't from here actually believe that really represents our culture on a whole. I bought my guns before I ever heard of the NRA. I have never joined the NRA. You deride the .NRA as a bane on the world as a pro-gun advocate, spending money to protect our rights. However, you have no problem encouraging anti-gun groups from spending all kinds of resources to disembowel our Constitution. Almost like you want an unfair political fight. One group cam spend big bucks to take away our Rights, but we are not allowed to defend against such actions with our own groups. I doubt if the NRA has a home office over there.
One must note that this is sold as a collectable. It is not a weapon of mass destruction nor is it a semi-automatic. I have never heard of one being used in modern times as an "assault weapon" or used in the commission of a crime. They are a beautiful work of art, each one being handmade.
