Gun Ownership and Racist Attitudes Linked

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  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    "Are you a white gun owner? You're more likely to be a racist than if you weren't packing heat.

    "That's what researchers found in a study published by the journal Plos One, which linked racial prejudice to firearm ownership in America.

    "A research team led by Dr. Kerry O’Brien, a professor of behavioral studies at Australia's Monash University, examined attitudes about gun control and race using data from the American National Election Study, a survey conducted before and after presidential elections.

    "The researchers found that 'for each 1 point increase in symbolic racism there was a 50% increase in the odds of having a gun at home,' as well as 'a 28% increase in support for permits to carry concealed handguns.' "
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/gun-ownership-racism_n_4220727.html

    Interesting results. What do you think?
     
  2. Anders Hoveland

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    I think there is a lot of unconscious racism in the minds of many gun control supporters. They are more likely to live in the city—surrounded by more diversity—cities which often experience gang, drug, and gun crime problems. They can't openly admit race might have something to do with it, so the only solution is for the government to tell people who is allowed and who is not allowed to have a gun. This is really tantamount to racism—just in a very indirect way. Let's not forget that the first proponents of gun control in the USA were the KKK, who did not believe certain people could be trusted...
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Not at all surprising to me.
     
  4. shmittygoatman

    shmittygoatman New Member

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    Hello there.

    There. Now you've met a gun rights advocate who doesn't want to kill "thugs".

    There's a first time for everything.
     
  5. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An exception rather than the rule. See 100 people who will talk about defending themselves against thugs *winky wink* to every 1 that will talk about hunting.
     
  6. shmittygoatman

    shmittygoatman New Member

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    Where exactly do you live?

    It would take me about 3 hours to find a neighbor of mine that didn't own guns, and I've never heard anyone talking about defending themselves from thugs. You know what they do talk about? Defending themselves from intruders.

    You're dealing with your own preconceived notions here.

    The tie between gun ownership and racism is the same as the tie between veganism and supporting raising taxes. They really aren't closely related, but they often come from the same political ideology.
     
  7. perdidochas

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    They made up measures of racism--not sure the validity of those measures, hence the validity of the study. Never heard of that journal in my life, so I'm leery of the results.
     
  8. Elmer Fudd

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    Well, I would like to know how they OBJECTIVELY measure "racism".

    However it is no surprise. Since many (most?) gun owners at least in part have guns in the house to protect themselves, and the simple fact is Blacks commit far more violent crimes than whites, per capita,and the study was obviously done on white gun owners only(no liberal study will admit blacks can be racist), then the gun owners visualization of a hypothetical intruder/attacker is mostly going to be a black man.

    Does that mean white gun owners are likely to be stupid irrational racists, or people who understand the facts?
     
  9. Elmer Fudd

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    A little research showed that PLOS One does not have a very rigorous review process and in no instance is a peer review done to ascertain the importance or impact of he study on that field.

    Many tenured and tenure track academicians will tell their younger colleagues that publishing in PLOS One is career suicide.
     
  10. CKW

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    It's a bogus study. The researchers don't seem to know what racism is Much less measure it.
     
  11. Riot

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    Of course it's racist.
    If a white person breaks into my house and tries killing or harming my family I wouldn't think of going for my gun.
    But if a black does. Bullets will be flying.
    Really. What a load of BS
     
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    So I guess my issue here is the terminology used.

    If "Thug" is only associated with a person of (black) color than I am a racist and didn't know it.

    To me a "thug" is as defined by the dictionary "a brutal ruffian or assassin". Which means it matters not the color of ones skin. You break into my house you are a "thug", weather you skin happens to be black, white, blue, green, it doesn't matter; and if I'm home you will meet a piece of metal traveling at a very high rate of speed.
     
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    You do realize that anti gun laws have the origination in the south after the Civil War to keep newly feed slaves from acquiring firearms for protection. That's your anti gun racists for you.

    Don't you ever tire of being wrong?
     
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    No surprise here. Gun sales surged when a black man was elected President.
     
  15. Riot

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    When a progressive that talks about gun control is elected. Along with a senate full of Fiensteins
     
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    More African-Americans Support Carrying Legal Guns For Self-Defense
    http://www.npr.org/2015/04/02/39686...gedition&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2015040

    The NRA is so racist, they only have white personalities features on their media channels... wait... my favorite is Colion Noir:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/MrColionNoir


    Gun sales soured when a man who supported the prohibition of all semi-automatic firearms was elected president.

    Save the race card, it goes to show a supremely low level of intellect.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really, but they do tend to be old, white guys... so it seems.

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    There's also an obesity, ignorance and poverty issue that is very apparent at NRA gatherings.
     
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    Progressive Marxism, nothing but bull (*)(*)(*)(*).

    All of my rifles, shotguns and handguns have black barrels and black receivers.

    Even my Black Talon ammunition have black bullets.

    Now I understand why liberals are so scared of guns, it's because they are black looking.
     
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    You clearly failed to read the article I posted.
     
  20. Texan

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    Since when did thug mean black. I thought a thug is defined by his actions. Racist much?
     
  21. perdidochas

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    Proof that those pics are of NRA gatherings?
     
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    there's obesity, ignorance and poverty all over the US, so why would NRA meetings be any different? Have you looked at Congress lately?
     
  23. Battle3

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    I read the PlosOne study.

    Its flawed. For one thing, they assume
    1 - negative attitudes towards blacks are correlated with conservative and political ideology.
    2 - "symbolic racism" has supplanted Jim Crow style racism, symbolic racism is not conscious or deliberate but ingrained in the system and in white people.
    3 - gun ownership is also correlated to conservative political ideology.

    All questionable, particularly the idea that gun ownership is correlated to conservatives, gun rights cross all party lines. If you go to the forum "DemocratUnderground" - a radical forum in which only "progressives" may join and comment - the gun control section is overwhelmingly pro-gun and reads like a Tea Party forum.

    And the final flaw is the study uses data from the American National Election Study which depends on people self-identifying to being a gun owner. People are hesitant to admit they own a gun to a survey.

    The entire thing smells like a "study" designed to provide a pre-ordained result.
     
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    The questionnaire used to determine whether or not someone is racist.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/gun-ownership-racism_n_4220727.html

    http://condor.depaul.edu/phenry1/SR2Kinstructions.htm

    With such a scoring system, and the questions being structured as they are, it would be difficult to find someone who is not considered a racist to at least some extent.
     
  25. Turtledude

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    well its a historical fact that racism was the motivation for the major gun control movements in this country. The Klan didn't want freed slaves being armed in post-civil war southern society. The sullivan law in NYC was directed against "papist immigrants" and the gun control act of 68 was a reaction to black street crime.
     

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