Not even farmers? How would you host shooting events should the Olympic Games be held in the US again? Would they at least get a special exemption, or is the risk of a competitor going on a shooting spree too high for you to permit? Jesus Christ some people are up the wall, even in the Soviet Republic of Australia where you practically have to felate John Howard to get a gun, I have been able to.
Naw the urbanites don't have all that many guns and they are essentially the wrong kind, and your theory on the next generation, well that depends on where they come from, eh mate? Truth be told, gun rights and gun ownership is growing....the marginalization is happening to the anti nutters, they just can't see the train coming. The people in trouble are those who think the gubbermint is their savior. I'll not fold...can't speak for many others but I'll be better than those who depend on the hand outs from the feds. I'm pretty much self sufficient cause I learned how and taught the family how to depend on ones self, a trait not found in many urbanites, eh? Just an FYI many many of us don't growl and roar and threaten, we just quietly live our lives independent of the gubbermint, being self sufficient and self reliant, enjoying the freedoms our FF bought with their lives and their guns. Sorry you feel the need to trust the gubbermint to provide for you and protect you, must be a blow to your self esteem.
However....... Nobody here is condoning murdering muslims or anybody else. You must have us confused with the gangbangers and hood rats in the country that you are too ashamed tell us that you live in.
I served in that military. Many of my friends have recently retired from that military. My son is in that military along with several other son's of my friends. They are not the sheeple you make them out to be. I watched them grow up and I know many of my son's friends at his base. Even many of my sons' friends who are civilians are very conservative Christian gun owners. Some are now policemen. I'll be long dead and gone before our people become the sheeple you predict.
******************************************************************** "“The coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave but one'.... " " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure." Thomas Jefferson..... Your words betray you. "Wisdom and goodness to the vile seem vile. Filths savor but themselves." What have you done? Tigers, not daughters, what have you performed? A father, and a gracious agèd man, Whose reverence even the head-lugged bear would lick, Most barbarous, most degenerate, have you madded."
Are you going to make that your epitah then mate. After you've had your little Waco moment? Of course I do. I also have felt safe anywhere in the USA without a gun and indeed everywhere I've ever travelled.
Maybe you will, maybe you won't. Policeman and soldiers will be the people who pry your guns from your cold dead hands if you are ever stupid enough to offer them armed confrontation.
I feel much the same as you old son. I live in the countryside. We all have guns here. It's not an issue for me. Neither do I expect my government to protect me. Nor have they. That job is my own. What I do expect is for it to come round here and kill me if I start with all that Waco nonsense about my right to civil insurrection. Grow up. We aren't that powerful the big boys can't stomp on us at any time. No one is. I don't care how safe your gun is making you feel. It is just a feeling. Illusory. I enjoy this feeling myself, but it is fantasy and I know it. When they tell me the law has changed and I must get rid of whatever gun it is. or fill out whatever extra form it is, I do it. As you will do it. I won't like it, as you won't like it. I won't agree with it, as you won't agree with it. But I will do it, as you will do it. A gun is not protecting you any if you end up dying just to keep hold of it. Fail.
I won't have to fight to keep my gun, NY and Connecticut are great examples of what happens in the good old USA. Large percentages of those state populations that own guns that are supposed to be registered or are illegal have neither turned them in or registered them....doesn't seem any gubbermint officials are gathering them up. The law folks mostly agree with the law abiding folks and the military doesn't seem to be making examples of anyone. Currently though I don't have any guns and the law can't prove I do. I lost em all in the great flood. So I don't have anything to give them. Besides all my law buddies won't be partaking of enforcing that imaginary law anyway. Heck states around these parts are expanding pro gun laws at a rate alarming to the anti nutters. Well mate my gun is protecting me and if I die just to keep ahold of it, I die, better than living in a country where people entrust the gubbermint to do the right thing, eh? I won't need to though, they ain't coming for them and they ain't passing laws that allow them to take them.
I concur that there is no law to take your guns from you. I think this is a polarised over-reaction to gun control. I live in the most gun controlled society on earth. I do not forsee ever being disarmed. However, over the period of my life the laws have changed. I have had to give up a gun. I have had to get more letters of approval from my peers. I have had to upgrade my gun storage security. Change the way I transport them. And to be honest with you, it's not been so bad. I have all the guns I need. (And awesomely, I still have guns and criminals still do not). And no, if you have to die to protect your gun, that is a fail. Sorry. It's not protecting you, it's getting you killed. The idea that I would be willing to die to keep my gun is truly and deeply nihilistic. The stupid. Deeply moronic. Why die for an idea? I would die for my family, I might even die for you, but not for an idea. Not to support some political dogma. No thanks. Honestly, your government is fine. One of the better ones. Hundreds of millions of other people can live in peace with it. So can you. You don't have to kill yourself to escape from it and you don't have to kill anyone to be free of it. It's just not that bad. And if you think it is, if you just can't get past that, then they had best come and disarm you. And if you were ever to act on your politics, They will. All those police and soldiers you think will support you, they won't. They will kill you.
I see, considering you off hand, telling comment about restrain on not shooting Catholics, I wonder how you'd fare on the in any Pub on the Falls after dark...
*************************************************************************************************** Again you fail to get it. You are NOT allowed a handgun, you are not allowed to carry a handgun, you have a useless pile of sticks in your closet, so if perchance, on the way home from the pub, you get pummeled silly, your last thought ??? Gee, I wish I had a gun, as you pass away....... I have served as a Constable outside the U.S. and as a Police Officer here in the U.S. and guns have helped me to stay alive and reach my current old age, and your horses arse banter is of no account, and I just happen to be of Irish stock, so get stuffed mate. Having a holstered gun at my side is not about dying, it is all about living to promote freedom and the way I want to live my life, wear my clans family kilt etc.... County Cork.....
Maybe they will rule for the real 2 a. The one that was written when muzzle loaders were the weapon of the day. It's amazing how you actually think that the constitution was written for weapons that were more then two hundred years later. I suppose you think they are also for weapons two hundred years from now. This nonsense for the most part started a decade ago and can be turn about just as easily when all those 5-4 decisions become 4-5 decisions. And who do you have to look forward too to safe your interpretation of the 2a ? Another leftist Trump turned temporary righty because it was the easiest group he could fool. Like Ned Pepper said....we shall see.
I agree. There will be a law, hopefully, that requires people have a permit to purchase a weapon from anyone and the same for buying ammunition. There, hopefully, will be a law requiring a permit for anyone to carry a firearm outside of the home. If this doesn't seem much different then what some states do now, it won't be. The difference hopefully, is they will be federal laws with severe penalties. No gun banning except for those who can't get a permit because they can't pass a check.
The waco and ruby ridge incidents further inflamed tensions between the people and the federal government, serving to increase distrust and opposition. Incidents deemed by the public to be executions committed by police officers further stroke tensions, and drive the public to commit acts of violence and anarchy in response. To believe that even more unjustified force will serve to deter a violent response is ignorance of the history of the united states.
According to the united states supreme court, the protections found in the constitution do not cease simply because technology advances. To claim otherwise is to claim that your phone and computer do not warrant first and fourth amendment protections against government interference. Under such logic, printing presses are protected, but your blog is not. Supreme court justices do not simply look over old cases anytime there is a revision of justices, deciding which cases they will overrule, and which they will not. For What you say to occur, an appropriate case would have to work its way through all levels of the court system, and be appropriate for such a ruling. It is not an option for the supreme court to simply tack an overturning of a previous case onto an entirely unrelated case dealing with a separate issue.
Ruby ridge ? You may have an argument there. But as far as Waco is concerned, if you put yourself on the side of a self proclaimed prophet who used that setting to rape children and accumulated illegal weapons, it would be a difficult for any sane person to use this outfit as a rallying cry. You marginalize yourselves every time you guys mention this lunatic Koresh and his adult followers as a put upon group.
First, I happen to agree with you about Trump. I'm afraid he's actually a typical leftist who wants to disarm Americans. Interesting, that you refer to muzzle loaders, which was the somewhat state of the art firearm that common soldiers carried when the constitution was written. So let's talk about the First Amendment. Perhaps, with your liberal/progressive/socialist mindset that cedes your individual liberty to a central authoritarian government, you'll agree that only the government should have access to the Internet. After all, when the constitution was first written there wasn't an ability to post political opinions digitally. And newspapers? Handset printing presses only, right? Have you seen a modern high speed printing press? It is way too easy to distribute opinions that might threaten the federal government. It's amazing how you actually think that the constitution was written for newspapers that were more then two hundred years later. Individuals have way too much sway over opinions by their ability to reach a mass audience across the country... Right?
Justified or not, the waco incident served to spur the increase in public to distrust government. Even today many continue to believe it was government that set the compound on fire, to drive its members out into the open in order to execute them. Whether or not this is factual does not change the fact that it is believed, and was held as the truth by sixty one percent of the public in the late twentieth century.
Then 61% of the people were misinformed or refuse to look at the facts that are irrefutable. Documented interviews of those children released found the abuse of children was much worse then they had suspected and drove the final assault. If the uninformed want to argue how the ATF made a mistake in the final raid, go ahead. But these people might as well be in the same side as a group of terroists who could have been spared while the agents were being fired at. Bottom line is, the adults were criminals. They were not a group of legal citizens and they had 50 days to give themselves up. I guess that 61% doesn't really care about the abuse of children that was going by this degenerate criminal element. If authorities made a mistake, they waited way too long to arrest this deviate when they could much earlier.
And you don't think that a city or state will not immediately pass more restrictive gun laws. Of course they will. They will be challenged. There will also be an attempt to make an executive order or pass legislation. It has little to do with state laws. It's the federal laws as ALL of the laws now on the books in states and cities though out the country, are constitutional unless chanlenged. Illinois has for a while required permits for sale of ammunition and guns. Permits to carry are already found in many states. It's not a stretch these simple laws can be made federal . That is the key. Federal and not state laws.
How deeply disturbing is it to live under someone else's idea, I think in a free society like mine, dying for an idea is better that dying for someone elses. Naw those police and soldiers won't, you speak of things of which you do not know.
