Handwriting Analysis Done On Obama Birth Certificate

scott e. · Oct 17, 2013

DrConspiracy said: ↑

I just saw the topic in a list, and thought it was worth answering.

The issue of credentials is an important one. Let's take the most naive example of birther forgery arguments, the existence of layers: The birther says, this document has layers, real scans don't have layers, therefore this document is a fake. That argument has two parts, an experimental result and an assertion. One doesn't need to be an expert to say that Obama's PDF has layers--they can simply provide a recipe for looking at them, of they can make a video with Photoshop. The other part "real scans don't have layers" is an opinion, and it's only worth something if the person who gives it has vast experience about what scans converted to PDFs look like. In this instance (with still a few birther holdouts) everybody would admit that standard scanning software and office machines create PDFs with layers.

The debunking argument to the layers theory goes: You can do this normal process and get layers; therefore layers don't prove the document is abnormal. In that argument, a counterexample is offered, and there is no reliance in expertise. There is observation, but no opinion.

In this extended process involving Obama's long form PDF, myriad anomalies, like the layers, have been brought forward by the birthers. They all rely on observations (mostly undisputed) and opinions about what they mean. In some cases anti-birthers have been able to come up with counterexamples, but in some cases we have had to challenge the expertise of the opinions. A good example was Garrett Papit's claim that multiple one-bit layers were created by no software, and that he tried thousands of combinations of things without finding that format. Without an example of software that does that, the best way to counter Papit's argument is to say that he has no reason to know the broad range of things that can happen in PDF generation, and he only tested free software, and other software that provided free demos, and few if any office machines. That argument is OK, but a counterexample would be better.

Now we have the universal fits-all counterexample to birther claims of a fake long form PDF, the Xerox WorkCentre 7655. A counterexample requires no expertise to assert. The birther says: this is impossible in a legitimate document and the anti-birther says "no, here's a legitimate document that just like what you object to."

It's like a crank saying that the laws of physics say a bumblebee can't fly. One needn't have any qualifications in physics or biology to prove him wrong. One need only point at a flying bumblebee.

Birthers, not being all that smart, do not understand the argument. They think that if the Obots can demand expert credentials, then the birthers can too. Only it's not the same. Birthers make claims of expertise. Obots make claims of observation.

I write these comments to inform. Why do you write your comments?
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why, to elicit/hear yours (here), like this one, of course...

Ockham's razor. you're the expert here now that frank's gone underground....

so RC has had contact with professor rockwell of connecticut, but he doesn't know nbc's name/identity ? is that fair to say ??

DrConspiracy · Oct 17, 2013

scott e. said: ↑

why, to elicit/hear yours (here), like this one, of course...

Ockham's razor. you're the expert here now that frank's gone underground....

so RC has had contact with professor rockwell of connecticut, but he doesn't know nbc's name/identity ? is that fair to say ??
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I was coming to the conclusion that was your reason, but don't rely on me being here on any regular basis. I have other fish to fry.

As for RC and NBC, you can listen to the radio show as well as I can.

scott e. · Oct 17, 2013

DrConspiracy said: ↑

I was coming to the conclusion that was your reason, but don't rely on me being here on any regular basis. I have other fish to fry.

As for RC and NBC, you can listen to the radio show as well as I can.
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I am delighted you're here doc, welcome to the PF (people's forum)

scott e. · Dec 3, 2013

there are real people not cowering behind anonymity... I don't know if he mentioned that...

birther compilation:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/12/cbl-project/#comments

this makes us look pretty awesome.... you know... for no controversy and no issue... thanks again fogbow !

Frankie lazarus id/is piqued... who's next... john woodman ??

LogicallyYours · Dec 3, 2013

How's that startling Birfer evidence coming along?...You guys done printing your new and improved fake birth certificate?

LogicallyYours · Feb 4, 2014

KAMALAYKA said: ↑

[MENTION=47629]rahl[/MENTION]:

The rabbit hole goes much deeper than you wish to believe. Obama asking the authorities in Hawaii for an official copy is comparable to OJ Simpson telling the judge, "nothing to see here. My own personal team of investigators has proclaimed me innocent."

You're still at the stage where you think everything in the world just magically falls into place, the good guys always win, and evil deeds always come to the light.

Well see what happens on the 15th.
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And you're just pissing into the wind. Birfers, they make Twoofers look smart.

(lol....not really)

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