Happy Independence Day

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Starjet, Jul 4, 2019.

  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic.
     
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    The American revolution was the greatest political act in perhaps all of human history. Unfortunately, it was betrayed.
     
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    The great easily form associations; the poor and middling class form them with difficulty. If the elections be by plurality, — as probably will be the case in this state, — it is almost certain none but the great will be chosen, for they easily unite their interests: the common people will divide, and their divisions will be promoted by the others. There will be scarcely a chance of their uniting in any other but some great man, unless in some popular demagogue, who will probably be destitute of principle. A substantial yeoman, of sense and discernment, will hardly ever be chosen. From these remarks, it appears that the government will fall into the hands of the few and the great. This will be a government of oppression.
    --Melancton Smith
     
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    You are correct in saying I condemn the left but they most certainly don't make up half of America. They are a very small minority but they are loud and many real Americans were intimidated by their crude in your face politics that game is over. Even the MSM is now marginalized in the minds of most Americans, you can't peddle absolute crap forever. For all of the alphabets the chickens have come home to roost, they will go the way of print media, CNN for example is on life support and likely one of the first to go. Americans have had it with social media and google. Every day there is some political epiphany happening somewhere in America and it isn't Trump supporters converting to crazytown ideology.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On Independence Day I think of the guts and blood it took to win an independent nation. I think of those Americans who sacrificed everything, even their lives, to give us our nation.

    Their spirit lives on today.

    I think of our present day warriors, like this U.S. Marine, for example, who exemplifies that spirit ...

    Garrett in Aghanistan.jpg
     
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    Great fireworks show here in Indianapolis tonight. I also attend a yearly cookout downtown at a friends house that is an open house and many people come. Nice night and about 78 degrees.
     
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    By those who believe the common good outweighs the rights of the individual.

    But yet, for all its faults and contradictory principles, the American goal of setting the human mind free from tyranny and leaving it free to think for itself, live for itself, and create for itself, created a world full of wonders and achievements--wonders and achievements that those of the era couldn't even imagine.

    Imagine if it had been perfect--cured, nuclear powered homes, faster-than-light spaceships, coloniztion of the planet and galaxies, death defeated--how much further along we’d be.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biologically speaking, the human mind thinks for itself, which means, evolution does not control man’s fate, his mind does. And while a rational mind seeks the comfort, the exchange of goods, and the company of fellow rational minds, if those he comes in contact with are cannibals, he best find an island for himself.
     
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    I was not attacking your post. In fact, I quite liked your post and was using it as an example of the goodness of the US. What I was attacking was the post from God & Country, which is little more than to dishonestly condemn those on the left.

    From my point of view, the conservative narrative is that all liberals are some how freeloaders on the system. However, without liberals, just as without conservatives, there would be no America. This is what is was pointing out.
     
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    Have you read Thomas Paine's Age of Reason?

    You fancy yourself a libertarian but your ideology is clearly mainstream conservatism, as you are here demonstrating.
     
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    Ahem, need I say more. You said it all. As I shake my head and walk away.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, but he has a point—the Left’s wackiness is driving the Right nuts, especially the religious.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As well as the brain and intellect. A fist without a mind is nothing but sledge hammer obliterating everything in its path without concern for whom or why.
     
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    Fair enough. Unless we can all appreciate the good things others bring to the table we are going to end up killing each other. I have no interest in that. Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    So, because most of us are ignoramuses, we will elect the best and brightest among us, who then will proceed to loot, terrorize, and murder us. There’s a premise wrong here somewhere. Or is the writer trying to say this: the masses are asses who will elect their own rapists?
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I gave you a “like” because the analogy is amusing. However, I tend to view England with more of Mel Gibson take.
     
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    It is easy to forget that, until 1776, almost everyone who ever lived was owned by someone else.

    When the idea that everyone owns themselves (self-possession) first entered public discourse in Europe, it was mocked as "everyone is a king thinking". The old adage "every man's home is his castle", was originally a punchline to a joke at the expense of the idea of self-possession. The individual's authority over and responsibility for them self (liberty) and private property extend from, and are founded upon, self-possession.

    Our Declaration of Independence began an emancipation that continues to spread to this day.
    We do not have now something that is perfect, nor will we ever. What we have now is by far the least worst nation, country and system of government the world has ever known.
     
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    The Orange Fraud's claim the revolutionary army ‘took over airports’ has spurred a slew of memes combining the perils of modern air travel with anecdotes from the war

    "Put ye powder hornes and buckled shoes in ye olde bins. Poultices over 3 ounces must be left with the magistrate and can be retrieved at ye postmaster’s office upon return. Muskets and pipes are stryctly forbidden on board ye airecrafte."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/05/trump-revolutionary-war-airport-claim-memes
     
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    Trump makes a great point, this photo, for example, is believed to have been snapped shortly after The Father Of Our Nation crossed the Delaware

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    None of the founders, including Paine, were atheists.
     
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    That's not what he said at all.
     

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