harry truman on "socialism"

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  1. Cybred

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    I couldn't make that decision, but if bombing 100,000 people is valid to stop a war then what about preventing one from starting?
     
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    Yes it is.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bzzzzzzz!!! Wrong! Try again...

    This time, try following the advice in my sig.
     
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    I know, I forgot, Joe might be a chinese communist these days.. is that what you might be referring to?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bzzzzzzz!!! Wrong again! That's two strikes. One more strike to go....

    I already gave you the best hint: to read my sig. So I don't know what else to tell you..... Oh, I know... a lifeline: "Call a Friend". If you know a kid in Middle School, they take civics.... they'll definitely know what "supermajority" means
     
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    It is the major reason he is my favorite democrat president, assuming I could actually have a favorite politician of any strip. He saved the lives of millions of innocent civilians.
     
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    Ah... yes. And because you aren't able to think outside the box, even slightly, you cannot reconcile that a super majority may also be a reference to the number of institutions then run by a single party. Sigh... I tried. You are recalcitrant to a fault.
     
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    Bzzzz! Strike three!!

    In fact, you just made your statement waaaaay worse. It's NEVER the number of institutions run by a single party. This reveals an even deeper (deeper than I thought) lack of understanding of how our government operates. Laws aren't passed through a vote by the institutions. Ever hear the phrase "weight and balances"? It's clear that, if you have, you don't now what it means. ONE institution can block on its own any law. It's not a majority vote, therefore there is no such thing of "supermajority of institutions".

    So this was as if the batter got his third strike by swinging at a pitch that was headed towards the top side of the stands....

    I TOLD you you should have used the "Ask a 6th grader" lifeline. It would have spared you from much embarrassment.

    Maybe next time...
     
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    Well, cross economics of the list of subject-matter you have mastered.
     
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    My friend, people who "get it" never hold themselves out like you do. Your insecurity gushes from your posts.

    Instead of having to be right all the time, take a step back and consider what the other person is saying. Eventually, you will get to the point where you realize that the truth of matter is not available intellectually.

    So go ahead and do your best to put me down...another attempt to make yourself feel better.

    It never works though, does it?
     
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    Definition of socialism

    1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

    b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

    3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

    Nah I'm doing good.
     
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    Folks who are this rigid should then be able to answer the question, what is a woman, and be able to explain that only a woman can give birth.. But then, you aren't actually this rigid, when it suits you. Nice try at the super originalist here. It was amusing watching you run gleefully down this path.
     
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    did you maybe mean "checks and balances?"

    on the other hand, what can a "supermajority of institutions" mean?
     
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    Wrong. Socialism is a socio-economic system. Socialism is an end to capitalism. That's economics, and you can deny it all you want.
     
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    Socialism has been an end to prosperity everywhere it has been attempted. Again, it is simply a redistribution of wealth [from the people who actually create it to the folks who can't create enough to take care of themselves].

    The bottom-line is that there will always be inequality...of intelligence, of physical capability, of attractiveness, and of everything else. Believing that you have to equal out all of this is truly mis-guided.

    The best you can hope for is a system which provides maximum opportunity for the most people in an environment of freedom using the most efficient means possible to produce economically. In terms of governance, you want a system that will uphold the rule of law, hold everybody accountable and have the smallest footprint possible.

    Socialism is an ideology that assumes the worst and delivers on it BIG TIME.
     
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    Sounds like it's everything and nothing.

    Since you are of that bent, I would recommend you reading, Das Kapital [all three three volumes]. Then you will understand how capitalism works and why socialism is not an economic system.
     
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    WTF? Are you feeling ok?
     
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    My mistake. I guess I was thinking about one of my earliest jobs in the aviation industry

    I don't know.... but whatever it was it looks like it gave the poster a heart attack, or something... Now he wants us to explain why women give birth... I last had that conversation when my youngest was about 9.
     
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    LOL... Yes, You walked yourself into this. I'll enjoy you trying to extricate yourself from it,
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No kidding! I don't want to give you a heart attack. Or whatever the alternative explanation is to you just out of the blue asking me to explain why women give birth....

    Yeah! Last time I got that question was when my youngest was 8 or 9. Hope not to ever have to go through that again. Definitely not with you...
     
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    That's WHY he 'came on the scene'. He was the response to increasing fascism.
     
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    It is economics, but not in the way these cats think it is.

    And you're right. The stuff they want is a nastier Robin Hood, and just as medieval.
     
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    Your pal Cybred posted definitions above .. here's the one relevant to your post:

    any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership

    It's poorly worded, but highlights the point that it can be any variety of economics. Also that it can be collective or govt ownership.

    Which means it could be a small group operating in a capitalist context, with no political component at all.
     
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    When it comes to State Socialism, you're absolutely rigth on all points.
     

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