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Have mass-shootings ever happened in a heavily armed area before?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by FixingLosers, Dec 3, 2015.

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  1. buddhaman

    buddhaman New Member

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    I'm pretty sure most gang shootings happen in heavily armed areas. In fact, despite gangbangers being heavily armed, they have a much higher likelihood of being shot than the average, unarmed citizen.
     
    buddhaman, Dec 4, 2015
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  2. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The rifles were not legally purchased, because they ended up in the hands of radical Islamic terrorists. Even their handguns were illegally obtained, as terrorists are not allowed to buy weapons, and they knew they were terrorists before they bought them.
     
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  3. buddhaman

    buddhaman New Member

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    Incorrect. They were purchased legally. They were used illegally.
     
    buddhaman, Dec 4, 2015
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    Draco Well-Known Member

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    I think this is a false statement.

    The couple didnt buy the guns, they received them from someone else. Giving someone a gun is illegal, especially here in Califonia.
     
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  5. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong.

    The magazines were illegal, the non-bullet button configuration was illegal, carrying them in public was illegal, discharging them in public was illegal, and as far as I know, murder is still illegal.
     
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    buddhaman New Member

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    How does that have any bearing on the fact that the firearms were purchased legally?

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    How does that have any bearing on the fact that the firearms were purchased legally?
     
    buddhaman, Dec 4, 2015
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  7. JoeSixpack

    JoeSixpack New Member

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    So nobody ever gets killed in countries that have outlawed guns. :roflol:

    It's either cry or laugh at the stupidity displayed on this issue.
     
    JoeSixpack, Dec 4, 2015
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  8. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    That has more to do with the fact that they are engaged in nefarious activity rather than a lot of them having guns.

    OP is asking if anybody has ever walked into something like a local NRA meeting and tried to shoot up the place. The point that the OP is trying to make, that I'm sure everyone has figured out by now, is that people are less likely to attack places where the people have the means to defend themselves.

    Lets say you are a criminal and you are contemplating burglary. On one door is one of those signs that says "Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again" . On the house next door there is no sign. You probably aren't going to choose door number 1...
     
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  9. JoeSixpack

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    It's a process, they just don't to out and out make it illegal, YET! They need the restrictions and regulations in place so that number one, the ability to purchase them is either too difficult or to costly for most people to be able too. Then the massive registration, with taxation of course, to assure that gun ownership is limited, and owners are easily recognizable and accounted for. Ammo of course is not a gun so as many ridiculous hoops and taxes they can create for a gun owner to obtain, which is reasons the words 'shall not be infringed' was put in place in the first place. Then the trumped up charges and categorizing of people becomes so important. Once they have it whittled down so that the UN can be called in and the military neutered, America will fall.

    NO? Look how long it took them to have places where it is illegal to smoke in your own home or even on your own porch. One step at a time. Currently they have an easy 1/3rd of the country ready to forfeit their rights without so much as a question and the dumber the population becomes the higher that number will be..
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What countries have outlawed guns?
     
    Doug_yvr, Dec 4, 2015
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    California has pretty stringent gun regulations but I suspect San Bernardino is fairly heavily armed. It is pretty well known for its bikers and street gangs. Still, it doesn't appear anybody intervened in the mass killing except law enforcement. And here they had a chance to shine.
     
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    So you're saying because some drug dealers and outlaw bikers didn't help defend these people, that having guns doesn't help?
     
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    (It is, however, a crime for a private party to sell a gun to someone she knows or has reason to believe can’t legally possess it. (18 U.S.C. § 922(d).)

    Who do you think bought the rifles for them, their Jewish or Pentecostal Christian friends????

    The Feds are not saying because whomever gave them the rifles are Islamic---just like Obama.
     
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    Not to mention it's a crime in California to do a private sale by not going to an FFL and performing a NICS check on who it's being transferred to.

    Even if the person who purchased this weapon did so legally, it was an illegal straw purchase, because the weapon was not intended to be used by the purchaser. The intent of purchasing it was to transfer it illegally to another person.
     
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  15. JoeSixpack

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    Outlawed or made it almost impossible for a private citizen to own or have in their possession, it is the same thing. Lets stop with the semantics before it gets ridiculous. Kay?
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not playing games with semantics, I'm using your exact words. So what countries have outlawed guns?
     
    Doug_yvr, Dec 4, 2015
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    Wrong. The troops there were not armed. <Rule 2/3>
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's like saying "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away". If Ft Hood is not a gun free zone because there are policemen on base, then there are no gun free zones anywhere in the country because there's always a policeman a phone call away.
     
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    Nope, you are stuck in a mindless game of semantics, because I clearly expanded my comment with an 'or'...
     
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    You need to know Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."

    "It is well-settled fact of American law that the police have no legal duty to protect any individual citizen from crime, even if the citizen has received death threats and the police have negligently failed to provide protection."
    ARE ON YOUR OWN FOLKS

    "...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia,

    So who is it up to protect you and your family
    Your government will not be there that is not their job so sit and think about it if you're not able to defend yourself who is supposed to do it?
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The guards and police on the base are armed.

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    You substituted 'or' because you were wrong the first time. No country has outlawed guns.
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Likely no. The shooter would be stopped before he could get to the qualifying number.
     
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    I've gotten into several real-life heated discussions over this one.

    People just REFUSE to believe it. It does send their little liberal brains into shutdown I've noticed.
     
    vman12, Dec 4, 2015
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    Other than a terrorist attack they rarely if ever happen in Israel that I wager has a far more heavily armed citizenry
     
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