he tried to treat himself at home with bleach enemas

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  1. Rampart

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    you have an incredibly active fantasy life. exactly zero of us consider "the supreme lord fauci" to be anything other than a respected scientist.
     
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    Because health is a main factor in the severity of Covid symptoms. The risk of hospitalization/death for healthy people is extremely low. You already know the definition of healthy. Knowledge and wisdom are not the same thing.
     
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    God that must HURT
     
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    Seeing that covid is a vascular and respiratory disease, it makes zero sense to think that enemas are the right approach. Not to mention the madness of injecting something as caustic as bleach into your lower intestines. sheesh
     
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    Yes. Less than 1%. We should be mindful of what we put in our bodies.
     
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    Your definition is needed for anyone to reply to your question. People with bipolar are not considered as "healthy" under the dictionary definition; are they more at risk due to their bipolar? Your spamming question is pointless. You might as well have asked are people with low immunity more susceptible to viruses
     
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    Yes, mood disorders are on the list as well. Obesity is at the top of the list, along with heart, lung and kidney disease, cancers, advanced age, and so forth. Poor health is rather self explanatory in large part.
     
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    Very true. Poor health is the main factor in Covid hospitalizations/deaths.
     
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    Yes. Someone with bipolar is twice as likely to die of Covid than someone without, all else being equal.
     
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    Keep it to yourself I'm not interested
     
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    Well it's mockery. I think you understand that.

    He isn't the respected scientist he is a megalomaniac and nothing more than a politician.
     
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    Anyone who still respects Dr. Fauci knows nothing of science—certainly not virology or epidemiology.
     
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    Can I see some evidence please. The study I think that you are referring to (JAMA) also states
    Many depressed people stop socialising completely significantly cutting down their risk of Covid. And from an another study
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1ghBVXL7HknAZDwlzlLspQ

    We then have this:
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw29lHQ7BERcg__5xLOcc3UQ

    So for many it's not SMI that increases their risk it's more the fact that many of them live in crowded conditions and many have other comobilities.

    The first point in the extract above could apply to many posters in this forum
     
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    I think your pull quotes are from a journalist’s take on the JAMA meta analysis I’m referencing. Here’s the actual study.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2782457

    Of course infection risk is higher for those with bipolar based on behavioral metrics? Why would you expect otherwise? But there is much more to it than that. The actual study also discusses physiological metric.
    I guess I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying those with bipolar are not more likely to die of Covid than those without? Are you saying mental health doesn’t affect Covid death rates?
    Apparently not enough if bipolar are dying at double the rate of non bipolar. :)

    Your Oxford preliminary report predates the JAMA meta analysis by a year. I’ll go with the current meta analysis.
    Comorbidity was addressed in the meta analysis.
    That’s why it’s believed other metrics such as immune system dysfunction and lack of healthcare are involved.

    How can SMI not affect risk if the reason they are in crowded conditions is because they have SMI?
    Absolutely agree. I think it’s bizarre more people aren’t interested in mitigations like healthy diet, exercise, and staying hydrated. Especially when those behaviors mitigate risk of infection and poor outcomes even for the vaccinated and the mask wearer. I think anyone writing something like that pull quote that limits discussion of mitigation to social distancing and masks is themselves mentally ill. Or sadistic.
     
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    The studies only looked at those who are infected. Many of those with SMI do not venture out of their rooms so are not included in any of the studies. Many people with SMI do not see anyone for long periods of time hence have practically zero risk of infection from the virus. I would not be surprised if half of those with SMI rarely venture out meaning that "double rate" reduces to the same rate of non bipolar. I'm sure we all know people with SMI who very rarely leave their homes. It is true that among those infected, those with SMI are more at risk, but as the studies show, those with SMI also tend to have other health problems notably obesity or other conditions such as aneraxia and self harming

    The Jama study looked at reports produced in the period Dec 2019 to July 2020. The Oxford study is dated 5th August 2020

    I am very much a fan of keeping hydrated especially when I have a cold or other similar illness.
     
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    The subject is whether those with bipolar are at more risk due to their condition. You asked the question.
    The answer is an emphatic “yes”. Some of the risk is due to things like housing. The housing circumstances are a result of the bipolar condition. Some of the risk is due to physiological aspects like immune system dysfunction that plays a role in bipolar conditions. A meta analysis of numerous peer reviewed studies from several countries concluded yes, bipolar have about double the risk of death from Covid as those without bipolar. Period, end of story. You asked the question, and the answer is unequivocally—yes.
    Yes. But your source was a rapid review of pre print and published data in existence in May and June of 2020. The systematic review/meta analysis I’m using used peer reviewed studies published up to February 12, 2021. Do you see the difference between a rapid review and a formal meta analysis of peer reviewed studies? Rapid reviews including unpublished data have value, but not after formal meta analysis of peer reviewed studies has been done.
    Excellent. Since the aged are the demographic most likely to be chronically dehydrated, researchers are starting to think this may be a big reason for the higher infection rates poor outcomes of infection in the aged. Hydration is an often overlooked aspect of general and immune system health. And we are really just discovering how hydration affects things like gut microbiota that have huge impact on everything from chronic inflammation to vaccine efficacy.
     

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