Higher Minimum Wages Will Not Guarantee Better Customer Service

Exactly!!! And what did it prove? That American's aren't as smart as we thought. Because even though the jobs being outsourced aren't a good thing, the fact that immigrants who can't read can do a better job than we can and be nice about it is shows where we always were. We were protected from the truth all these decades. We aren't that outstanding.

 

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WHat a mess! But you nailed it.

 

we were trained not to feel entitled to the sacrifices of past Americans which created the better life of future generations, if we complained they said we didn't take personal responsibility, or were lazy, for not submitting to slavery with the illegal immigrants for their better life.

all the while they lawfully stole to get rich, and prided themselves from the hard work of theft.

 

I might advocate for legislation that forces people to learn to recognize sarcasm.

 

What a few CEOs earn has nothing to do with what I said. You believe that forcibly transferring wealth leads to the creation of it. If you take $10 from Bill and give it to Joe, and Joe spends it, now there's more wealth or something, even though Bill is $10 poorer. Taking money from CEOs and giving it to minimum wage earners will not increase overall wealth. If it's your goal to assuage your moral outrage over some people earning vastly more than others, I get that. But that's a moral problem, not an economic one. You claim to be a logician, but you seem to be very tied to your emotions.

 

There are few occupations where the customer gets to vote their approval.

The tip system is a huge incentive to waiters to do the job extremely well.

The minimum wage is not what waiters count on. They count on the customer approving both the cooks, but the waiters.

It is tough to debate two tier income jobs.

Should you hire a boy and pay him $15 per hour when, as you seek his services, you are who asks what he charges.

Here you could say to the boy, I want you to make $15 per hour and thus I hire you for that along with benefits.

I know my own daughter who is a waitress makes a very good amount of money. Minimum wages would not help her if the customer thought she already was well paid. Why tip her when she earns $15 per hour. ($31,200 per year)

Also, the Feds never pay we on SS such incomes. We have to get along with $6.70 per working hour in our SS checks.

Most of those making minimum wage live at home, have no marriage nor child to pay for, very similar to the elderly.

But if $6.70 per hour is fine with the Democrats for us, why tamper with the wages of the youth?

Why is this important to the elderly?

Many of us planned for a life where one could live on $1,000 per month. But due to injury, health problems, giving our children large sums of money, find that we reached old age with too much month at the end of the money.

I now learn why the old who once lived in great homes and drove luxury cars find they are essentially depending on government.

When our kids asked for $100,000 promising to return it, and did not, we found we were closer to insolvency. Oh we might have told the kids to shove off, but we trust kids.

So, on the incomes over the past 70 years, were they high enough to amass a fortune to keep on hand today?

I don't think the past incomes merit claims we ought to have a million dollars on hand.

I talk to the old. Al once owned a very nice Yacht and owned his own company and owned an expensive home. And his agents afforded him a new Mercedes Benz. Today he lives in a manufactured home that he only got due to the reverse mortgage loan he got. It is located in an area where prices of property are cheap.

His real estate firm went bust during Clinton. Al is a vet of WW2 and thank GOD he is able to get VA medical care. But this 97 year old man has a wife who still works. And she is well past retirement age too.

 

That's like saying that gravity is a moral forced upon the poor.

 

I have worked at minimal wage jobs as a young lad. I decided to take things into my own hands and go into business.

Frankly nobody offered me in my business a living wage, nor a minimum wage nor offers to pay the rent on the building.

Well that went bust due to the selective service laws of 1962. I had been expected to pay full rent even were business not good. I hired my first ever workers at that speed shop. I just do not recall what I paid them. They really were never overworked for sure.

No customer who need the business service offered me minimum income. They wanted prices and so I gave them prices due to it a start up business. I was not able to charge the big guys shop rates. Why use me when they could use a dealer?

It was my low prices. But was that conducive to me who also needed an income, to pay high rates to workers?

I next kept working for corporations. It was not until 1967 I got a second chance to operate a business I owned. Did I pay the first machinest I hired minimum wage? LOL The guy never would have left the Los Angeles area and came to live in the SF Bay area if all I gave him was minimum wage. He turned out to be the premium of all my hires so I paid him top wages and put him in charge of the entire shop. He effectively managed up to 4 machinists. I managed getting work for them all and to pay the company bookkeeper who never produced one part to be sold. She was a drain and never would have worked as a bookkeeper for minimum wage. Oops I had to pay higher.

When posters imagine paying wages, they no doubt get more than minimum wage. But they collect. They do not pay.

So when they evaluate, it is based on imagination along with emotion, charged emotion far too often.

Spend part of your time renting a building, rushing all over to locate customers, paying expenses, paying operating costs, paying taxes, paying the city, etc, and then tell me what your minimum wage is that you pay.

 

Higher minimum wages reduce customer service because people tip less and so the incentive to get tips goes down.

 

Here is a good and sound major test of that premise.

When you shop at the stores, do you ask the clerk if they earn $31,200 or more?

And since wages originate when customers buy, is your first response to hand them more money so they live a "better" life?

Do you even ask the kid selling you food at McDonalds what he makes? And having him say under minimum wage, do you hand him cash due to your desire for him to get more pay?

 

I've been in quite a few Chic fila's and you can't get better customer service. It's all in the training and quality of person.


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Why then are the Feds so stingy in paying SS to we elders?

Can we really manage on $6.70 per hour and them denying more than a $3 per month increase?

 

It is not some sort of moral issue.

But for hoots and bowel movements, when you pick up that order at the fast food place what is the tip you always leave to help the poor person out?

 

And what quality of person is going to work long term at Chic Fila?

 

Job applicants don't determine the compensation of the job.

The employer has the optional "power to hire" to increase revenue/profits giving the employer the power to determines the compensation. The job applicant only has the "power to not work" for the employer and that's a weak power because the applicant is forced to work to fund their expenditures.

The assumption that the minimum wage earner lives at home and/or is unmarried and/or not supporting a child is discriminatory and in violation of federal law. .

The typical minimum cost of living for a single person living on their own is about $21,000/yr and anyone believing that they could live on $1,000/mo is delusional and living in Fantasy Land.

At one time $1 million would have been enough but because of the Federal Reserves ability to artificially change the "value of money" for the banking institutions benefit it's arguably not. Historically the "value of money" has been between 4%-6% and so $1 million would result in a safe $40,000 to $60,000 annual income. Because of the nefarious tampering with the "value of money" for the benefit of the banking industry the Federal Reserve has reduced the "value of money" to roughly 0.2%. Today if $1 million is held as Certificate of Deposits it will only generates $2,000/yr in income, or about 1/10th of what a single person requires just to cover their minimum expenditures. Retirees have really taken it up the old "poop-chute" because of the Recession and we can say, "Thank you US government and the Federal Reserve" for financially screwing over Americans that are too old to work.

 

if supply and demand is managed ethically by the rich it should work for everyone, but half of the country says its not working for them and they need President Trump to make America great again with a huge wall and fair trade.

supply and demand has become a moral forced upon the oppressed, rather than a legitimate market force that serves everyone equitably.

 

i agree but due to income inequality 40,000 to 60,000 is not a good standard of living since the best places to live the rent is around 40,000 to 60,000 a year.

the middle class was once more united, now there is an upper middle class and a lower middle class. the half of the country who voted for President Trump belong to the lower middle class, and they are also getting the shaft.

 

Paying teachers more sure didn't help education quality.

 

I had 5 children go through the public school system here in Ohio. I thought almost all the teachers did an exceptional job teaching.
Our school district does very well due to the teachers wanting to educate kids.
I do not have a problem with paying teachers good wages.

 

"The U.S. ranks 14th in education.
6 January 2015 Mark 1 comment.
According to Pearson, the United States has a “cognitive skills and educational attainment” score of 0.39, which makes the United States rank fourteenth out of forty countries ranked in that category."

 

There really is only one part of the minimum wage that matters. the higher the wage is the better the economy is when you have an economy based on consumption it's that simple

 

You certainly can cut n paste whatever you wish. My statement was based upon raising 5 children and having them go through the public school system where I reside.
Just curious as to how many children you have & how you chose to educate them. Thanks for posting.

 

If your OK with liberal indoctrination instead of good quality education that tells me all I need to know about you.

 

Please take or retake an Econ101 class.

 

Based upon the median price of a single family home in the United States for 2016 the median rent would not exceed about $20,000/yr.

I've read so many different demographics of Trump supporters that what I've learned is that there was no significant common trait except one.

They overwhelmingly held beliefs based upon prejudice as opposed to knowledge. This fit with two traits we know about Donald Trump. He has very little knowledge about anything and he's excellent at "playing to the prejudice" of his supporters. That's why when fact-checked he was rarely telling the truth and why his supporters didn't care because he was telling them what they believed and they didn't believe the truth either.

Economically we have a serious problem of course. The middle income jobs are disappearing. These were the jobs that allowed a person to work their way up the economic ladder and also provided replacement jobs for those that became unemployed. Today many of those jobs no longer exist while there are more and more people competing for those fewer number of jobs. It is significantly harder to start out a $20,000/yr and in ten years to be earning $35,000 or $40,000 a year.

This isn't due to a shortage of jobs and it's not even related to manufacturing jobs but instead it's related to all jobs. The jobs that remain either pay poorly (hourly workers) or very well (for upper management) with very few remaining in the middle.

This takes us back to a couple of fundamental facts.

For the workers to receive the maximum compensation the business must do well financially.

The business can maximum profits by reducing compensation for the workers.

If the government polices are based upon the enterprise realizing maximum profits the compensation for labor will be low.
If the government policies are based upon maximizing compensation for the worker then the business has to also profit to fund the compensation.

Advocacy for the business results in a win-lose situation while advocacy for the worker results in a win-win situation. It's really that simple and history documents that we've been under the win-lose policies of Republicans since at least 1979.