Hillary In Leaked Email: Saudi Arabia And Qatar Are Funding ISIS

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  1. Margot2

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    Saudi Arabia didn't support al Nusra or ISIL.. They learned their lesson about blowback in Afghanistan. Early in 2011 the SAG and the clerics told young Saudis NOT to go to Syria .. and that if they went, they would be put in prison when they returned.

    Further, they campaigned against Saudis going to Syria to fight because "it would only make things worse for the Syrian people."

    You should be consistent in following what goes in in the ME or you are apt to be deceived by the western media.
     
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    Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy

    In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce.

    Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

    Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.

    More than two years of violence have radicalized the armed opposition fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad, leaving few groups that both share the political vision of the United States and have the military might to push it forward.

    Among the most extreme groups is the notorious Al Nusra Front, the Qaeda-aligned force declared a terrorist organization by the United States, but other groups share aspects of its Islamist ideology in varying degrees.

    The Islamist character of the opposition reflects the main constituency of the rebellion, which has been led since its start by Syria’s Sunni Muslim majority, mostly in conservative, marginalized areas. The descent into brutal civil war has hardened sectarian differences, and the failure of more mainstream rebel groups to secure regular arms supplies has allowed Islamists to fill the void and win supporters.

    The religious agenda of the combatants sets them apart from many civilian activists, protesters and aid workers who had hoped the uprising would create a civil, democratic Syria.

    When the armed rebellion began, defectors from the government’s staunchly secular army formed the vanguard. The rebel movement has since grown to include fighters with a wide range of views, including Qaeda-aligned jihadis seeking to establish an Islamic emirate, political Islamists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood and others who want an Islamic-influenced legal code like that found in many Arab states.

    Another prominent group, Ahrar al-Sham, shares much of Nusra’s extremist ideology but is made up mostly of Syrians.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    You must have forget Hillary's Friends of Syria Meetings. Which the Saud were part of.....All of them.

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    Part 2 from the NY Times.

    As extremists rose in the rebel ranks, the United States sought to limit their influence, first by designating Nusra a terrorist organization, and later by pushing for the formation of the Supreme Military Council, which is linked to the exile opposition group, the Syrian National Coalition.

    Although led by an army defector, Gen. Salim Idris, the council has taken in the leaders of many overtly Islamist battalions. One called the Syrian Liberation Front has been integrated nearly wholesale into the council; many of its members coordinate closely with the Syrian Islamic Front, a group that includes the extremist Ahrar al-Sham, according to a recent report by Ms. O’Bagy, of the Institute for the Study of War.

    In the past, United States officials saw the Islamist groups’ abundant resources as the main draw for recruits, said Steven Heydemann, a senior adviser at the United States Institute of Peace, which works with the State Department.

    “The strategy is based on the current assessment that popular appeal of these groups is transactional, not ideological, and that opportunities exist to peel people away by providing alternative support and resources,” he said.

    Mr. Heydemann acknowledged, however, that the current momentum toward radicalism could be hard to reverse.

    We all want an Islamic state and we want Shariah to be applied,” said Maawiya Hassan Agha, a rebel activist reached by Skype in the northern village of Sarmeen. He said a country’s laws should flow from its people’s beliefs and compared Syrians calling for Islamic law with the French banning Muslim women from wearing face veils.....snip~
     
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    Syria doesn't have any oil.. Production had been declining for 2 decades until it was down to 70,000 bpd of the heaviest, sourest oil in the region.. Then the RAF bomb the Omar oilfields hitting all 24 targets.
     
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    Syria doesn't have any oil.. Production had been declining for 2 decades until it was down to 70,000 bpd of the heaviest, sourest oil in the region.. Then the RAF bomb the Omar oilfields hitting all 24 targets.
     
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    Which has nothing to do with the Saud supporting the Syrian Rebels, Al Nusra and Daesh.


    .N. investigators say most Syria rebels not seeking democracy


    Most Syrian rebel fighters do not want democracy and the country's civil war is producing ever worse atrocities and increasing radicalization, independent U.N. investigators said on Tuesday.

    Speaking to reporters in Paris, Brazilian expert Paulo Pinheiro said his team of investigators had documented horrific crimes on both sides, although the scale of those committed by President Bashar al-Assad's forces was greater.

    "It was said the rebels were angels, but there is only a minority of fighters with a democratic history who believe in the Syrian mosaic and want a state for all," he said.

    "The majority of rebels are very far from having democratic thoughts and have other aspirations."

    The Islamist element of the Syrian conflict poses a quandary for Western powers and their Arab allies, which favor Assad's overthrow, but are alarmed at the growing power of militant Sunni Muslim fighters whose anti-Shi'ite ideology has fuelled sectarian tensions in the Middle East.

    While Assad has repeatedly labeled opposition forces as "terrorists", Western powers have backed non-Islamist rebel fighters by providing aid and non-lethal assistance.

    Pinheiro leads an independent team of some two dozen experts mandated by the United Nations that documents crimes committed during the conflict, in which at least 80,000 people have been killed.

    Its next report is due out on June 4 and will be based on interviews since February conducted abroad with victims and witnesses, as they have not been allowed into Syria.

    "The report is dreadful in terms of a combination of secularization, radicalization and an escalation in violations of human rights and laws of war," he said.

    Both government forces and armed rebels are committing war crimes, including killings and torture, spreading terror among civilians in the more than two-year conflict.....snip~


    U.N. investigators say most Syria rebels not seeking democracy | Reuters

    Now Margot tell all just who those Arab Allies are. As its not Shia Arabs they are talking about. So yes.....the Saud and Qatar.
     
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    It is to Trjmp lol feel free to prove its false.
     
  8. MMC

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    So far he isn't doing so well with this issue. Kind of like Margot. :laughing:
     
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    ISIS came out of Iraq.. While there are some Saudis in Syria and Muslims from many other countries, the Saudis have not supported ISIS.. ISIS is dedicated to wrecking Saudi Arabia and overthrowing the government.

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    You think all Sunnis support ISIS? Are you quite mad? They hate ISIS as much as you and I.

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    You think all Sunnis support ISIS? Are you quite mad? They hate ISIS as much as you and I.
     
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    How can this be! The Saudis are our friends - right? ;-)
     
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    Trying to deflect from Western Powers and their Allies......says what Margot. Are you trying to Deny the Saud wasn't part of Hillary's Friends of Syria's Meetings.

    Trying to Deny the Saud didn't want Assad removed.


    Here allow me to help you filter......some more.


    Jaber Al Thani (Qatari Prime Minister), Arab League Secretariat and contemporary US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton supported taking stronger measures against the Syrian government.[4]

    Current members of Friends of Syria, which met in 2013 in Rome, Istanbul[10][14] and London, are often referred to as the 'London 11'.[15]

    [​IMG] Saudi Arabia

    [​IMG] Qatar

    [​IMG] United Arab Emirates

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_Syria_Group


    How you looking now Margot? What excuse can you come up with that is legitimate and shows the Saud wasn't supporting the Syrian Rebels Al Nusra who pledged to Daesh in 2014?

    What because Daesh declared war on the Saud. Sorry that's not a good enough excuse when dealing with reality.
     
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    Of course the Saudis were there. Assad was killing Sunnis right and left, but that doesn't mean that Saudi Arabia supported Iraq's ISIS.

    ISIS has carried out 30 suicide bombing attacks in the past 2 years. How many Saudi newspapers do you read every week and how many years have you been doing that?

    2014? The civil war in Syria started in February 2011.
     
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    Who the hell do you think supports ISIS? ISIS is the enemy of the GCC states as well as Lebanon, Libya, Egypt and Turkey.
     
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    Why is Turkey aiding isis if they are enemies
     
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    “Seymour Hersh: Hillary Approved Sending Libya’s Sarin to Syrian Rebels”

    “Pulitzer prize winning journalist, Serymour Hersh, said "Our policy has always been against him [Assad]. Period". This has actually been the case not only since the Party that Assad leads, the Ba’ath Party, was the subject of a shelved CIA coup-plot in 1957 to overthrow and replace it; but, actually, the CIA’s first coup had been not just planned but was carried out in 1949 in Syria, overthrowing there a democratically elected leader, in order to enable a pipeline for the Sauds’ oil to become built through Syria into the largest oil market, Europe; and, construction of the pipeline started the following year.” 4/29/16.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/215993-2/215993/
     
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    Thats Right Margot, the Civil War started in 2011.....Al Nusra/AQ affiliate was part of the Syria Rebels. Then in 2014 they pledged to Daesh. Which you were just shown the link. Now you have been shown that the Saud was giving support and aid to the Syrian Rebels.

    Note that Margot.....the Saud was giving aid and assistance to the Syrian Rebels. Whom Al Nusra was the best that the Syrian Rebels had to offer as fighters.

    Again.....Al Nusra then Pledged to Daesh in 2014. Which means the Saud and Qatar along with the United Arab Emirates and the US were giving aid and assistance to them while they pledged to Daesh.


    Oh and Right now.....Al Nusra is the Problem that exists in Aleppo. Wherein the Russians and Assad keep bombing, all because of Al Nusra hiding throughout the city. Including in schools, hospitals, and where there a lot of Syrian Civilians. In essence holding Syrians and the city as Hostage.


    UN Syria envoy: Jabhat al-Nusra holding Aleppo ‘hostage’

    UN Syria Envoy Staffan de Mistura appealed directly to Jabhat al-Nusra, Syria’s al-Qaeda affiliate, on Oct. 6 to leave the city of Aleppo “because 1,000 of you are deciding the destiny of the 275,000 civilians.”

    De Mistura offered to physically accompany the terrorists out of the city in order to alleviate the suffering of Aleppo’s besieged citizens, while calling on the Syrian and Russian governments to end the siege of the city “for the sake of eliminating 1,000 al-Nusra fighters.”

    Jabhat al-Nusra, which broke from al-Qaeda and rebranded itself as Jabhat Fatah al-Sham (Conquest of Syria Front) in July, is designated as a terrorist organization by both the United States and the United Nations. Russia claimed that a reason for the collapse of the US-Russia agreement last month was the inability of the United States and its regional allies to separate American-backed Syrian opposition forces from Jabhat al-Nusra. The US-Russia agreement in Syria would have facilitated US and Russian military and intelligence coordination against Jabhat al-Nusra, in addition to allowing for humanitarian assistance and a resumption of UN-backed peace talks.

    Jabhat al-Nusra’s role in Aleppo has been overshadowed, or left out, in most mainstream press accounts of the brutality of the Russian and Syrian siege of the city. On Oct. 7, Kerry said, “Russia and the [Syrian] regime owe the world more than an explanation about why they keep hitting hospitals and medical facilities and children and women” and called for an “investigation of war crimes.” During the vice presidential debate Oct. 4, both Democratic Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine and Republican Indiana Gov. Mike Pence called for the establishment of humanitarian or safe zones in response to the siege.

    The understandable impulse to assist those Syrians who have suffered immeasurably, and too long, as a result of this awful war is heartfelt and laudable. For US policymakers, there is also the need to weigh the consequences of any military action, including reflection of what was learned from American interventions in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, and that even the establishment of humanitarian or safe zones would entail a “major combat mission,” in the words of US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter in May 2015, and therefore a “difficult thing to contemplate.”.....snip~


    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...envoy-nusra-aleppo-hostage.html#ixzz4MoHk0t3b
     
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    Do you think Margot can figure it out now D? :wink:
     
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    When they play these clandestine games they often tie themselves into knots. The idiots involved probably couldn't sort it all out.
     
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    Oh BO peep and Hillary.....yeah they don't know how to sort. Hell, Hillary doesn't even no how to sort clothes when others do her laundry.
     
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    It is the 'twisted tale they weave' that eventually trips them up.
     
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    Problem is.....the left wont care. Unless a bunch of them are killed in a terrorist attack.
     
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    Good question.....at least Margot will have an answer. As to most of the leftness, they don't even know if you are talking about a bird or a meal.

    Oh well, another Email and issue they can't debunk for their Hillary.
     
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    -partially.-

    The US has been funding ISIS inadvertently since the late 90's by having any financial connections to Saudi Arabia -at all-.

    Saudi Arabia needs to be discarded for the venomous, disgusting scheming den of vipers that they are.
     
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    Well, I agree with that bit on the Saud.

    Now as to the leftness looking to clear Hillary. All they can do is deny the reality. Not change it.
     
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    Youre story is only half true......

    You missed the other half, America game them arms to give to ISIS and Al Queda. Saudi and Qatar were just go betweens in hillarys plan to arm terrorists to invade foreign countries.

    Arms sales to Saudi Arabia and Qatar almost triple in four years

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    Weapons imports by Saudi Arabia and Qatar have rocketed by more than 275 percent over the past four years, a new report found on Monday.

    Between 2011 and 2015, Gulf states were the most significant market for sales by the United States, the world’s biggest arms exporter, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) found.

    In a new report assessing worldwide trends in arms sales over the last four years, SIPRI found that increased demand from the Middle East had led a 14 percent global rise in arms transfers.

    The increase was not marked universally – arms imports to European states fell by 41 percent between 2011 and 2015.

    By contrast, arms imports by Middle Eastern states grew by 61 percent - the largest regional increase - during a period marked by massive internal unrest as well as the rise of Islamic State (IS) group.

    At the forefront of this growth were Saudi Arabia – now the world’s largest importer of weapons – and Qatar.

    Arms purchases by Qatar between 2011 and 2015 jumped by 279 percent, while Saudi Arabia’s increased by 275 percent over the same period compared to the previous four years.

    Despite increased competition from China – whose arms exports increased by 88 percent - the US has remained the world’s largest arms dealer.

    [​IMG]
     

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