Hitler's Jew-hatred & Holocaust Denial

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  1. Grau

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    From what I've read in the comments at this forum, many people who believe the whole Holocaust narrative (Holocaustians) would call you a "Holocaust denier" for not claiming that "millions" died in homicidal gas chambers.

    You're the first believer that. has claimed: "Perhaps hundreds of thousands" but the reality is that the only German made homicidal gas chamber was the one made by German POWs after the war who were ordered to build one.

    The German POWs had no idea how tp build a gas chamber but built something that the Soviets invited the world to see as "proof" that the Germans had homicidal gas chambers.
    Fortunately, the historians and journalists noticed the new construction and didn't fall for the hoax and the incident was heavily censored because it further proved that German run camps did not have homicidal gas chambers.


    "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
    https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

    EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

    When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED
     
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    Nobody from the pro-official version camp is addressing this info seriously.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-13#post-1074256367

    It seems to show that the way the people were killed and the bodies were cremated according to the official story was technically impossible.

    I think it would at least make an objective thinking person wonder whether the gas cambers really existed. I don't have an ego stake in this; I just want to know what really happened. If somebody can show it to be wrong, I'll gladly accept there having been gas chambers in the camps.

    I've never seen this satisfactorily explained by the pro-official version camp. Everything seems to point to there not having been any gas chambers and the above seems to be the strongest argument. If you pro-official version posters want to sway the viewers, you'll have to show that argument to be wrong.

    Don't forget what Einstein said.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...locaust-denial.609023/page-11#post-1074255940
     
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    I've noticed the same thing.
    People who actually believe physically impossible things without question have not eager to join the discussion or support their beliefs with credible facts.

    Just because a few paid liars and attention hungry hucksters tell inconsistent and contradictory horror stories and an equally dishonest Western MSM peddles it to the gullible is no reason abandon your common sense and critical thinking skills.

    It is especially revealing that the standard Holocaust narrative is so weak that it needs government protection from honest examination and open debate in about 16 "democracies" around the world.

    Thanks,
     
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    The only thing they seem to have to support their side is witness testimony. Physical evidence trumps witnesses as people can lie.

    Here's some info on witness testimony.

    The Value of Testimony and Confessions Concerning the Holocaust
    https://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html
     
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    As far as I can tell, yardmeat is the only person attempting to intellectually debate you guys since you appear to be quite thorough in your research.
     
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    I can only speak for myself and I try to look at both sides but I keep seeing things in the standard Holocaust narrative that are simply impossible.

    I also appreciate @yardmeat 's participation and hope he will address the questions I've posed.

    I attempt to support my assertions and hope that they are helpful.

    I enjoyed the censored story about the German POWs building a fake gas chamber for the Soviets to show the "proof".

    Thanks for your kind words,
     
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    ironically as a hypothetical thought problem yard meat came to the same conclusion is Hitler and agreed that if I was a Jew living in his home and disrupting his family or his household rules that he would exterminate me, same identical response that Hitler had.
    (Well not personally he'd call the police and have the police would exterminate me)
     
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    The red cross had access to the German camps all along and they interviewed prisoners in secret and in private.

    If Hitler hate Jews how do we explain this?

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    His advisors went bonkers admonishing him that he cant be seen like this because this little girl is Jewish!
     
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    read through the thread, not nearly as much RW denier hogwash as i expected, my father being a pearl harbor veteran, i have always had an interest in ww2 history, since im not of jewish persuasion and cant really relate to any holacaust i refrain from commenting...
    although the wannasee conference was real, it was forbidden to actually refer in any documentation about "extermination" and this may explain the lack of much of it...when reading history many offhanded storys about the holocaust are included, a seemingly impossible amount of doctored records to manipulate if you ask me, before the gas
    victims were shot and burned upon railroad track BBQ fires, the buried...these all had to be dug up and re=buried because of disease, a strange scene to just make up IMO, and churchil was made aware and so outraged he did refer to killings risking betrayal of the enigma cipher
     
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    not correct.
    we had completely decoded enigma and had all the camp to camp conversations on record. They just happened to forget to mention that little unimportant detail where they are all about disease typhus and the difficulty the camps had trying to 'save' the Jews (and themselves) from disease (typhus) when the Brits and Americans bombed and destroyed all the supply convoys delivering food and medicine to the camps.

    If you are claiming that Hitler had some kind of secret handling of Jews then of course you must also acknowledge that is your conspiracy theory since there are no records what ever that would indicate such a thing?

    The real Wannsee Conference: https://www.ghwk.de/fileadmin/Redaktion/PDF/Konferenz/texte/English_translation_wannsee_protocol_2020.pdf

    Good place to start is by reading an accurate "correct" undistorted translation of the German to english, not the garbage you find on the US holocaust sites.

    Exterminate is a euphemism for deport..btw.
     
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    im sorry i dont believe the enigma code would be wasted on camp comunication
    nor your aftermarket wannsee conference notes, i dont subscribe to RW media at all..I have also read the english deniers material, and even he doesnt not makes such out rageous claims lol..maybe a younger person will believe you
     
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    david irving
     
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    I remember reading that Hitler shared the same birthday with little Rosa Nienau and they enjoyed a writing relationship (i.e. "Pen Pals") with her in spite of her being Jewish.
    Hitler didn't care that she was Jewish but, you're right, "his advisors went bonkers".

    I don't doubt that there were people in the Nazi Party who hated or resented Jews, I just don't think that Hitler was one of them.

    I'm sure you've seen:

    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html


    Thanks,
     
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    Yep, I agree with you Mr. Esau.
    I just came back from 3 weeks hiking on the Appalachian Trail where I met an interesting person who claim he is a professor in Idi Amin University and he is specializing in research about WEJ (White European Jews) and BJ (Black Jews).
    According to him BJ are true Jews, the true Bible was written in Swahili and not in Hebrew.
    I asked him how come Greeks and Roman's who conquered Palestine before the birth of Jesus never mentioned the Palestine was settled by Blacks. His answer: Greek and Roman's were racists and didn't want to acknowledge that BJ built such a great civilization.
    I ask him why Yosef Ben Matetiahu, famous Jewish historian from this time didn't mention Judah was country of Blacks. His answer: he mention many time he is Black, he wrote his books in Swahili, but Greeks and Roman's were racist and lied that they translated from Hebrew to Latin, they translated his books from Swahili.
    The most important book of Yosef Ben Matetiahu - "I am proud BJ (Black Jew) and I hate racist" was never translated from Swahili to English.

    He also suggested to watch this very important video about decolonization of the Western science:


    Follow me for more interesting information about WEJ and BJ.
     
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    I noticed that same people will not believe in research, in peer review, in testimony on thousands, but are eager to believe in any info posted by some anonymous internet site.

    Is Holocaust narrative is so weak that it needs government protection from honest examination? I don’t think so, but some countries think the Holocaust was crime so big, that denying it counts the same as denying slavery, denying rape or denying pedophilia.

    Everyone have right to believe that Holocaust never happened, that pedophilia is good for children or that slavery benefited Black people – these believes should not be persecuted.
     
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    No I havent but I will take a look, thanks.
    What a mean mischaracterizing thing to say!

    The Jews claim that Wannsee is the German protocol declaring the Jews had to be exterminated.

    and they are correct it is the 'protocol', but NOT for murder, for deportation.

    They cleverly substituted the word extermination for deportation because it is a synonym for kicking someone out, however in America is has a different meaning, in America the same word means kill everything.

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    Did you know?
    Originally, to exterminate something was to banish it or drive it away. And it is this meaning that can be found in the Latin origin of "exterminate." "Exterminate" comes from "exterminatus," the past participle of exterminare, meaning "to drive beyond the boundaries." The Latin word exterminare was formed from the prefix ex- ("out of" or "outside") and "terminus" ("boundary"). Not much more than a century
    after its introduction to English, "exterminate" came to denote destroying or utterly putting an end to something. And that's the use with which the word is usually employed today.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exterminate

    If you arent happy with the accurate translation without all the incorrect misleading substituted words found in the Jewisn historical societies in America here you go....here is the Original German version:

    German original Protocol of the Wannsee Conference, January 20, 1942 Note: This original of the protocol is at the "Politisches Archiv des Auswärtigen Amtes, Berlin" (R 100857, Bl. 166-188). (PDF,2.43 MB)
    https://www.ghwk.de/fileadmin/Redaktion/PDF/Konferenz/protokoll-januar1942_barrierefrei.pdf

    Knock yourself out, translate it and get back to us on it :evileye:

    Could it be that all this deception is why the Jews were kicked out of literally every country on the planet?
     
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    It's WJE, wej. I know you're attempting to copy me (imitation is a sincere form of flattery) but if you're going to do it then do it right. It's White Jewish Europeans aka WJE. You can call Jews whatever you like, it's says in Deuteronomy that they will be known as a byword, names like Nword, c word, s word, alsorts of names they are called so BJ is just another one to add to the list, well done, you are making prophecy come to life. I have lots of WJE friends and they all agree that the biblical Israelites were black, as were the Canaanite as was km.t as was the region from the Nile to Ganges, so to were mesopotamia and so too were the europeans (apart from Eastern Europe which is where the white race came into existence, specifically the caucus mountains. At this time black folk were building pyramids.
     
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    They certainly don't look like they're in prison camps. I'm starting to wonder if this is not all some kind of conspiracy in order to justify the land theft of Israel by europeans.
     
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    Why do you keep bringing up pedophillia in this topic?
     
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    I candid picture with a couple of employees on holiday does not prove that there was no gassing. No one is dumb enough to buy that.
     
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    They weren't in a prison camp. They were on vacation. I'm disappointed by your low standards of evidence here, frankly. You are literally arguing that no one who has ever worked with anyone who has been on a fun vacation could have ever committed an atrocity. That's the standard required by your "wondering" here. Literally.
     
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    Hey I'm neutral here, I support Israel but this is starting to look like a conspiracy
     
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    How does some people who worked at Auschwitz having fun on a vacation "look like a conspiracy." I'm sorry, but that's dumb as ****. If that's your standard, then no one has ever murdered anyone else. No murder has ever happened as long as there is a photo of someone who knew the murderer having fun on a vacation. Ed Geins is innocent because he looks happy in some photos. No, that's not neutral. That's willing self delusion.
     
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    It's starting to look like a conspiracy imho. When there are numerous WJE academics and journalists stating that the Holocaust narrative is highly suspect, you've got to wonder.

    I've never ever seen so-called African American academics question the TAST. So you've got to ask yourself serious questions, or you can feed off the bubble.
     
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