Holocaust Denial is Hate?

What will happen to us? Hitler had a "Ministry of Truth" (Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda) also like our own administration now... Wake up America.... "noone will ever believe it" but it is happening right in front of your face. If you deny this you become accessory to it.

 

Germany actually does. It is quite, literally, guaranteed in Germany Constitution under Article 5 which Freedom of Speech, expression, and opinion, from its citizens. However, as I said, each country's view of what freedom of speech is and is not will be based on the country's history, perspective, etc. It is the same about anti-trust laws. In the EU, the anti-trust laws determined differently what constitutes too much power into a business compared to here. The Sprint-T Mobile merger would have never happened in Europe whereas here it was allowed to happen because our take on anti-trust laws is more loosely defined than in Europe.

 

Germany has had these laws on the books since the early 1950s, long before "woke" became a popular mantra among conservative circles.

Yes, you can yell fire in a crowded room all you want, but the Supreme Court has ruled that doing so cannot provide you the guarantee of free speech either. You can also yell at police offer all you want, but that is quite literally, considered free speech per the Supreme Court. We derive this through Schenck v. United States in which it enforced the espionage act of 1917. As one of America's greatest Jurists on the Supreme Court, Oliver Windell Holmes Jr, he said, "in many places and in ordinary times, the defendants, in saying all that was said in the circular, would have been within their constitutional rights. But the character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done. The words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."

 

That quote was in his diary in 1945 after he toured Germany as he toured the Bavarian Mountain retreat of Hitler.

In that same diary, he wrote a few other things. JFK said, "had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him".

The person who owned the diary, Deirdre Henderson, his longtime researcher when JKK was a senator, also said, "Nowhere in this diary, or in any of his writings, is there any indication of sympathy for Nazi crimes or cause,"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-c...",German dictator's Bavarian mountain retreat.

 

It is sad that Canada hasn't truly embraced the concept of free speech. The left here in the U.S. is trying to undermine it as well.

 

Quite literally, nothing. This was started under Trump when the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency where Trump signed into law the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Bill of 2018. That agency created a website called "Rumor Control" to disswayt misinformation associated with the 2020 US Presidential Election. Same agency, on November 13, 2020, the agency issued this press release, "
"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...r-official-involved-in-election-leaves-agency

https://www.engadget.com/cisa-2020-election-security-022224313.html

 

It's not the left, it's more like the RW of the DeSantis wing that limits free speech with those so called "anti woke" bills being passed.

 

Sorry you are subjected to one sided media. DeSantis doesn't think government should be in the parenting business. I would imagine most parents agree. It isn't even a free speech issue.

 

Lol...what part of that poster is not true?
We say the same about Genghis Khan, but it's not an endorsement.
It's known that some of JFK's family were antisemitic and nazi sympathizers, and Catholics didn't forgive the Jews for killing Jesus until 2011, so who knows what his true feelings were about hitler or the jews.

 

Do and say what the government tells you to do and say, or you'll be in big trouble. It works the same in North Korea and other dictatorships.

I predict there will be a huge shortage of teachers in Florida, because I don't think many will like being treated like enemies of the State.

LOL. As of now he is the only Governor who IS in the parenting business, but I suspect others will follow.

 

No, it is quite literally in HB 7. Even mentioning the word gay, or LBGTQ, or anything like that, not even while teaching, can get a teacher fired or worse, sued by third parties, or ostracised by the raving lunatic mob of the RW.

Second, teachers are not acting like parents. What they are doing is describing the world around them for the children in certain situations. The fact that 2% of the US population is LGBTQ is an incontrovertible fact of life these days with children from all backgrounds being curious. Granted, teachers should not provide preference to one lifestyle or the other, not to mention parents BTW, but that is not what teachers, generally, are doing. This is all fake, hyped-up hysteria by the RW in their so-called fake "culture war" that has now included the children for God's sake.

 

So you see neo-Nazis and the people that neo-Nazis want to victimize as being morally equivalent? Interesting take. There's a difference between hating an ideology and hating an ethnicity, bud.

 

I'll keep trusting facts over cults of personality, thanks.

 

And here's the part where you call people Nazis for asking for evidence, I take it?

 

Obviously you haven't read the laws. If you think schools should teach political ideology way past their age, then perhaps you would suggest that they teach effective gun handling which would be more useful to them, particularly in large cities.

 

No one is teaching political idealogy per se. But if you take high school government or even high school civics class, you will learn about various political ideologies, to begin with as it relates to our history and form of government. And that will be more of a brief, broad scope approach in high school. It is not until your junior level of government or political science class that you delve deeper into the particulars. If a teacher says to another person, I am gay, when being asked a question, HB 7 literally states "any person who may feel aggrieved from such prohibited topics can have a right to action, aka lawsuit, to prohibit such topics being discussed, even casually, outside of the classroom, whether on or off school grounds. https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Stop-Woke-Handout.pdf

Nothing you are saying is actually what is happening in the classroom or written in the textbooks.

https://www.thefire.org/florida-law...an-unconstitutional-line-they-must-amend-hb7/

https://time.com/6168753/florida-stop-woke-law/

 

I don't attend school so I can't provide personal experience on what happens in a classroom. I simply take the word of millions of parents who oppose parenting in public schools. I have seen examples of ideological quotes from textbooks. They are readily available on the internet. Finally, anyone can sue anyone else for any reason. It doesn't take a law to make that possible.

Government is banned by the constitution from preventing people from saying what they like. It does have the power to regulate public school curricula. In short I think your quote from HB 7 is inaccurate. I don't have the desire to look it up so I will just comment in kind.

 

So, in the analogy, if you see millions of parents stating that the textbooks are wrong and the millions of parents state that the sun rises from the west and sets in the east, then you would believe in the millions of parents then?

Perhaps not taking a person's word for it at face value, you may want to ask a teacher in Florida what really goes on and does not go on in the classroom on a daily basis.

And because of the bills that Gov DeSantis signed, teachers really can't do that unless they are willing to go through a private motion of action. And most teachers don't want that expense. Hence, they, by the law, cannot speak honestly about what is really going on?

 

I've seen what goes on in Texas with the fake CRT accusations at school board meetings, so I can only imagine what is going on in Florida.

 

Yeah. Because telling little black Johnny that every problem in his life is little white Johnny's fault is so very productive, and conducive of trying to heal, rather than acerbate, race relations in the US. Not to mention it's a lie, and the fact that these days teachers have to be told not to lie to students is a crying shame.

But please, I beg of you, keep thinking FL is just like N. Korea. I would suggest you evacuate immediately before Desantis passes a law saying that anyone who leaves is subject to death, and so are their family members the defector left behind. Chop, chop, he's probably working on it RIGHT NOW, get out before it's too late!!

There's 49 other States to choose from, including a few that STILL are mandating people to wear masks in some situations, and have much, much higher taxes. That seems more your speed to me.

 

What school is actually teaching this? I've escorted my sister to school board meetings where these fake CRT accusations happened and it sure as hell wasn't what was actually being taught there.

 

"Jewish Canadians comprise one per cent of the Canadian population yet are the target of 62 per cent of all religiously motivated hate crimes," said Richard Marceau, vice-president of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs. "We live in a time of rising antisemitism."
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/holoc...er-of-jews-to-be-outlawed-in-canada-1.5855681

From what I've read, it is a move to outlaw any public speech about holocaust denial in response to the overwhelming hate/religion crimes happening in Canada today.

 

Awww.......

Talk about lazy lines.

No one said its just like NK. Read, but read with comprehension.

I get it. You are ok with government enforcing "forbidden topics" lists.

 

I never spoke to a Holocaust Denier who did not also despise the Jewish people

 

you mean like the fact that military forensics experts from the US and UK were not able to find so much as one gassed anyone?