Homeless George Zimmerman Can No Longer Stand His Ground >>MOD WARNING<<

Martin thought he was a gay stalker? He also thought he was a Cracker.

You're right. Race was involved. The deceased was a bigot.

 

That was always just an invention of the media so they could whine about the white on black killing

 

He was charged with manslaughter. Not guilty.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-found-not-guilty/2514163/

SANFORD, Fla. -- George Zimmerman, the man accused of murdering Trayvon Martin, was found not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter Saturday night.

 

Yes, he can.

 

Are you denying that Martin told his hot lady on the phone that Zimmerman was a cracker? Court documents disagree with you. Also, you know that testimony was televised, right?

Why do the left wing bigots just ignore their own bigotry? Oh wait, they don't know they are bigots.

 

Ok...lets do it this way then, how about you post anything from the trial that backs up your version?

 

yes and we heard from the jury after, they did not know they could use one of the lesser included... he was not charged with manslaughter, he was overcharged and that confused the jury imo

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Zimmerman didn't do himself any favors with his behavior after trial.

 

While correct about not being officially charged, they didn't pay attention to their instructions:

If you find Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman, you will then consider the circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was Murder in the Second Degree or was Manslaughter, or whether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable use of deadly force.






http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Zimmerman_Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

 

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  Trayvon was murdered before he became a young man.
  
  
  It should not play any aspect. But this happened in the US, where racism is deeply rooted in it's culture. That Americans are offended by this, does not make this untrue.
  
  
  Zimmerman followed Trayvon, got out of his car during a dark rainy night and took his gun... and you saying it might have been Trayvon who initiated contact? Seriously...
  
  
  With all that slaver flag waving, black life matters crap, governmental inquiries exposing fanatic racism in the police force in multiple places, racist slurs towards Mexican Americans initiated by a presidential candidate,.... etc etc etc.... it's just a rather sound conclusion that race plays a profound role in the American society.

 

Martin was the same age as one of the DC snipers. And if he hadn't died at the hands of Zimmerman he was living a life where someone else would have eventually done the job.

 

If Martin thought Zimmerman was a threat, then why did he stay rather than run?

 

the worst part to me was when Z said if he could go back and do it different he would not, he would still follow martin and kill him as he thought it was God's plan

[video=youtube;eZxpwb0UYuk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxpwb0UYuk[/video]

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Isn't America the land of the free and the home of the brave? Martin was an American. Why would he run? Do our troops run away when the enemy is shooting at them?

 

You didn't answer my question which was asked first.

 

If Zimmerman wasn't pursing Trayvon why didn't he stay in his vehicle until the police arrived. Why would he get out of his truck with a loaded handgun if he was just looking for the name of a street.

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Because Trayvon called Zimmerman a "creepy cracker" then he deserved to die. You wouldn't find someone watching you in the manner Zimmerman was watching him creepy.

 

Well, ol' Trayvon cannot stand his ground. The ground is standing on him. This is what happens when your plans to be a thug backfire.

 

You know I could agree with most of you as........................ had Trayvon started harassing Zimmerman first, but the simple fact that a grown man can get out of his vehicle and start chasing a unarmed teenager with a gun after he was told he didn't need to do that and he kills the kid and you folks are ok with that is almost unbelieveable.

The more I listen to the folks who patted this coward on the back I am not surprised this is not 1916, but many of you on this forum still have the mindset of those folks from 1916.

 

Every time I get out of my car I get out with a loaded handgun, because it's in a holster on my hip (most times). It's as natural as getting out with my hat on. And it wasn't name calling that got Trayvon killed, it was because Trayvon put his hands on GZ and was banging GZ's head on the sidewalk telling GZ he was gonna "die tonight". For that, Trayvon deserved to die.

 

This guy hunted down and killed an innocent person for no good reason whatsoever, the only reason he got off is that he had a jury trial. as any judge with any training at all would have given him 25 to life. There shouldn't be juries and this trial along with OJ are the reasons why

If I want my toilet unclogged I call on a trained specialist. If I want to obtain justice for the victim of a heinous murder I get 12 people off the street, none of whom has ANY instruction or experience in the law or even really wants to be there

Madness

 

lol@chasing, Trayvon was completely unaware of GZ's gun until GZ defended himself with it.

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I love to remind people like you that Eric Holder didn't like the verdict either and used the entire weight of the DOJ to investigate what happened, and they came to the same conclusion. So what now? You think maybe Eric Holder covered up for GZ?

 

No (*)(*)(*)(*), how many unarmed teenagers have you chased around the neighborhood with a loaded gun?

 

Obviously none, else you would have seen me on your TV now wouldn't you? And chasing? Part of the reason I'm armed is that I'm too old to run anymore, I'm not chasing a damn thing unless they make me.

 

I doubt you really want to quibble about the various definitions of young man?
Your assumption that it was murder discounts self-defense out of hand. A witness saw Trayvon astride Zimmerman, hitting him in the head repeatedly. There were contusions on both the front and the back of the head, which support the witness account.

• Would Trayvon have killed Zimmerman? You and I do not know.
• Was Zimmerman in fear for his life? You and I do not know.
• Who initiated the violence? You and I do not know.
• Did Zimmerman have the ability to overcome Trayvon (without shooting) and escape being repeatedly hit in the head? You and I do not know.

All of these unanswered questions are critical to determining whether or not the killing qualifies as murder. Your insistence on characterizing it as murder indicates that either you were there watching it, or that you are making assumptions to support a bias, whether unconsciously or not. The people who insist that it was self-defense are making the same mistake.

Welcome to the conversation!

You are making my point. I think you are doing it unconsciously, but I may be wrong about that.

Racism is built on overgeneralizations based on the red herrings, race, which in itself is only an abstraction of many different real factors, predominantly phenotypes, but also genotypes and family history. Many people assign people (both others and themselves) to broad categories based on this abstraction, then have expectations based on those categories, regardless of individual differences or the specifics of the situation. These folks then fill in the gaps in information in order to confirm their assumptions about a particular person they have assigned to this broad category.

This does not just happen with race. It happens with sex, gender, age group, political leanings, religion, profession, nationality, etc. ad nauseum.

You just did this. You took an abstract category, Americans, assigned to the whole category the characteristics racism and offended, which is indubitably pertinent to some, but not all people in the category. You then used that generalization to fill in the gaps where you do not know the specifics, and shaped a narrative which then confirms your assumption (and many other people's assumption) that racism was a major factor in this particular incident. You then came back around and used that narrative to confirm your assumptions about individuals in the abstract category, Americans.

Your statement that [racism] "should not play any aspect" in determining the unknown actions of each person, leads me to suspect we agree that this illogical thinking process causes immeasurable, pain, damage, and social division. Everything I saw or heard in the media (on all sides) about Trayvon, Michael Brown, etc., has exemplified the fallacious thinking process I just outlined. Certainly, most of this thread has done so.

I am seriously saying we do not know what happened. Many different people make many different assumptions about what was likely. Which assumption we choose to believe is often an indicator of our bias.

It is more helpful to admit when we do not know, and then leave the assumptions out of the narrative, even if that means we are unable to draw a conclusion or pick a side.

Racism is just one of many common types of bias. However common these biases may be, I do know many people who try hard to keep open minds, resist the temptation to pretend assumptions and inferences are facts, and to treat all people fairly and as individuals, not representatives of some category or other. I try not to come to unfounded conclusions, but sometimes I do. I am pretty sure that people who participate in this categorization-assumption-confirmation bias-creation process do so unconsciously, which makes it harder to prevent. It also makes it easier to point the finger of bias at others, without really empathizing.

This lack of empathy seems to lead to assumptions of malicious intent, an assumption I think is usually unfounded. Racism, sexism, political bias, etc., are logical flaws, but not necessarily moral failings or indications of malevolence.

Being subject to the tendency to make assumptions based on categories does not make one a bad person, but it does hamper the clear thinking required to create and participate in a just and peaceful society.

 

No right wingers should stand idly by while he pulls himself up by his bootstraps!