Hong Kong has been China since the British lease ran out. The Chinese will have to solve their problem with their rebellious province, it's none of our business.
I respectfully disagree. It is our business. It's in the interests of the American people that liberal democracy, adapted to the customs and practices of each country, eventually spread over the whole globe. The question is how to do it. Is the 82nd Airborne the best way? Robespierre, of all people, commented that 'people do not love missionaries with bayonets'. He was right. For China, we need to maximize our contact with her, in all respects, with due concern for national security. Every Chinese peasant who becomes a city-dwelling officer worker becomes a point of infection for the ideas which underlie a free society: I own myself, the state does not. Try to work out large student exchange programs -- 100 000 a year from each country to spend a year studying in the other country, as part of their university course. And so on. A free society is so infinitely superior to a non-free one, that our young people will hardly be affected at all in their political beliefs. (Maybe they will become more interested in having maglev high-speed train connections between our cities, but we've got to make some sacrifices.) They will learn some needed respect for this oldest of civilizations, and having basic Mandarin won't hurt when it comes time for looking for a job, either. But their young people who come here will be infected beyond cure.
If you believe in coincidence - it is just wonderful that 'the freest place in the world' started mass disorders right in the time when the US president is trying to rob all the chinese people changing trade proportions between China and the USA into the favour of the latter... If you do believe in it - it is just your problem. And I won't demand it to be condemned by UN, the West and UNICEF. I would just tell that useful idiots at the moment are demanding to give away the economic might of China in exchange for shame and invetible bloodshed. I don't believe in the coincidence... I won't recommend anyone to intervene into inner policies of China. Let them try to talk to each other and protect their country rather than destroy it.
Unfortunately, life's not a video game. Unless by the 'anifarts' you mean the young people now so unwisely raising hell there. They need to change tactics, do the Ghandi and Martin Luther King thing. As it is, they're losing the sympathy of China's liberal elements which very definitely exist.
Hell, I’m telling those that can, get out. And quick. In this case, Atlas shouldn’t just shrug, he’d be wise to shrug and run like hell. Leave Hong Kong to the Chinese, and grant instant American citizenship to any that wish to immigrate here. It’s the only rational option, because the West will do nothing and you will die for nothing. China can have the rock, let's see them milk the milk cow after the milk cows change dairies.
We actually have a lot of business in Hong Kong, but there is nothing the USG can do that will save Hong Kong from CP/fascist domination.
I used to go to Hong Kong in the 90s, as part of an academic program with HKU. I can't say I made close friends there, but I was on friendly terms with a number of university people, well educated, liberal-minded, no Communists or open Communists among them. Just like us, or so I thought. I remember my last visit there, a year or so before the handover to the mainland. I arrived, we had lunch, and I just casually expressed a kind of concerned sympathy for them, soon to be living under the indirect rule of the Peoples' Republic. Whoa!!! Was I surprised!!! They were looking forward to it, were happy that it was going to happen. Back in the motherland, at last. Their reaction made a big impression on me. I filed it with four other impressions I have had over the years, where I thought international-mindedness, humane, rational values would be uppermost in my foreign friends' and acquaintance's minds, and was surprised to find that that first of all they were Tamils, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, and humanity be damned where the interests of their nation were concerned. I suppose my nice friends at the University thought that no government in Beijing would be mad enough to put a stopper in this very lucrative opening to the world economy -- where you could trade with China, but in an efficient and above all corruption-free environment. We are not Economic Man of the textbooks. Love of our country, however mis-governed, trumps dollars-and-cents calculations. At least it does in people not in the grip of terminal social/moral decay. There are no flag burners in China, nor would the country need a law against the practice. This is a society on the way up, not on the way down.
We already have 360,000 chinese students in the US as of 2018 And reports are they are closely watched by the chinese governmemt not to become too aquained with America
The problem is that the relationship between Hong Kong, Macao and other China is not a problem. The problem is that color revolution is used as part of negotiations by mister Trump. I am just trying to find the differencies between this plot and ISIS videos and I can't. No really! Some bearded people would demand impossible things and if not - they will cut the throats of the innocents. And here mr Trump demands from China to turn their trade proficit into trade deficit and if not the innocents would demand their throats cut... The end is the same. The big boys will get their money anyway and the innocencts would bleed to death...
They are about to come under the direct domination of a corrupt fascist dictatorship, but they could make the CP commit another Tiananmen atrocity while the whole world watches. Hannah Arendt argued that the Hungarian rebellion was the beginning of the end for the USSR.
Heard that speech before, in Moscow, in Berlin, and in Tokyo. It did not happen as the dictators wished. Why? In order to function, the human mind must be free to do so. Eventually, the human souls on this Earth will learn this; it’s just sad that it will take millions of butchered bodies to teach them.
Yes, I am sure they are, and a lot of good it will do the watchers. A waste of government money, except for the money they pay the outright spies. We ought to start teaching Mandarin in our real high schools, if there are any left, and put a couple of hundred thousand young Americans over there. Fair's fair. (Although if their drug laws are anything like Singapore's, our kids will have to make some sacrifices.) Of course, given that these Chinese students are probably on the best campuses, what they will experience there is a faint shadow of the spirit of the Cultural Revolution. No conservative professors yet with placards saying "I am a white racist" around their necks, or wearing dunce hats, just a few rocks and fisticuffs as they get driven off campus. If only those PC lefties could read the minds of those young Chinese on the question of race. They would have a seizure on the spot. But the Chinese are a very polite people -- okay, maybe not when charging up Pork Chop Hill in Korea -- and they aren't going to let their liberal hosts know what they really think.
According to westerners who know them best the chinese people are very patriotic and nationalistic Their goal is total world domination
We may do a lot of business there but governance is none of our business. If the Chinese decide to close the door the door gets closed and political and economic pressures are the only remedy we can or should apply.
Nevertheless the people of Hong Kong seem to have embraced the spirit of the American Revolution. Astonishing.
You know, the stronger China tightens her grip, the more the free souls will fall through and escape to freedom, paraphrasing a favorite line from a favorite movie, “Star Wars”.
IOW, Trump is not likely to go to war to save Hong Kong from the CP/PLA. Do you support war with China?
Some of the faces in that photo could be powerful members ob the CCP today And they have not mellowed a bit
