Hopkins analysis showing COVID-19 has relatively no effect on deaths

It's like draggin the lake looking for dead bodies.

 

Yes we should be celebrating all the dead!
You don’t trust science, probably think the virus is a hoax. Why would I bother discussing it if that’s your approach to reality? To just deny it?

 

Source?

 

"(because the crisis is a money maker at this point.)"

Holy projection lol the economist wrote the article in the OP solely to stop precautions because precautions or the thought of them are standing in the way of making money....

 

More than deny it put their motives onto the other sides argument lol

 

You have to ask yourself how stupid people need to be to believe something like this after all this time.

 

I mean, we all have our perspectives and they're all equally valid. There is no church of the gospel of facts.

 

The entire OP source was not written by a "RW Blog". What a ridiculous attempt to reference a source you want to attack more than the author that did the actual Math and shared it with the world. She/He deserves some kudos, not your empty attack.

Well now, at least we have someone actually attempting to address the question, but missing the point of the OP.

It's not about $ in any form. It's about people dying of other events because of Covid-19, keeping the death numbers no different. Lockdowns and shutting down businesses kill.. I know that anecdotally, as I lost a good friend to it.

Again, if you folks can't disprove the Math the author shared....

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.

...then you really don't have an argument here. You're just spewing an opinion based on blind ideology.

 

"because of Covid-19"

So do suicide victims check a box on a form before they die about what caused them to commit suicide?

 

And you do trust science?

The left is one of the biggest science deniers when it comes to for instance the science behind the differences between the sexes.

Mental health and transgenders.

You like science until it argues against your world view.

 

Just understand what arguments are political losers and people dying is usually a political loser

 

It doesn’t tell you anything.

You haven’t actually seen this study. You have no idea what it says.

All you have is a couple of quotes, and two charts.

You don’t know what the author “nailed”, because you never read the paper. The tweet you cribbed this from didn’t tell you.


And JHU was very quick to disassociate themselves, particularly when it got twisted and retreaded as right wing political propoganda for the right wing twitter audience.

 

It is a tweet. Nothing more.

The poster tried to hide that.

There is no link to the paper or any of the research. There is nothing but two quotes and two charts. Nothing else.

And JHU very quickly disassociated themselves from it as soon as they became aware that an article in a student newspaper was bein repackaged as right wing political propoganda.

 

To add to a very fine post, another misleading anomaly was the death rate which early on was reported to be about 3%. Then after mass testing we found a lot more cases of COVID which dropped the rate to more like 0.3%, not much different from the flu. There was also the directive to ignore co-morbidity. If a person on death's door for, say heart disease, also contracted COVID before he died, the cause of death was recorded as COVID.

On the other side of the coin there was the anomalous spike in elderly deaths in NY nursing immediately following Cuomo's directive that nursing homes bed younger patients with COVID to free up hospital beds.

A separate but related topic: lockdowns have been shown to be ineffective -- in fact causing more harm than good -- and are no longer recommended by WHO. The results in Sweden, Norway and Finland throughout the pandemic showed that lockdowns, mass ubiquitous quarantines, and strongly limiting crowds have very little if any effect.

 

Because her math is junk. Simply comparing the total number of deaths in 2020 so far to that of previous years shows a clear increase in deaths. A CDC report estimated that between late January and October 2020, there were more than 299,000 excess deaths in the U.S.

 

Indeed. Excess deaths is the only statistic that really illustrates the effects of the coronavirus.

 

Published by the Students of Johns Hopkins since 1896
November 27, 2020


After all these years you still dont bother trying do you.. Just attack attack attack

While they retracted it the data used to explain the excess deaths they mention goes to this https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...c.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsper100k

Seems in their rush to claim a retraction and explain it they used outdated information to claim the information in the newsletter was false.. People like myself would find that strange but i am sure you are ok with it.

 

This is patently false all around. Lockdowns do slow the spread, the WHO has not recommended stopping lockdowns in totality. They have identified the economic, and social concerns with lockdowns. Targeted intervention including lockdowns where required is their recommendation.

 

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.

Also
Number of deaths reported on this page are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. Data are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death. See https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm for more information. Data for New York excludes New York City. Data on all deaths excluding COVID-19 exclude deaths with U07.1 as an underlying or multiple cause of death. Death counts were derived from the National Vital Statistics System database that provides the timeliest access to the vital statistics mortality data and may differ slightly from other sources due to differences in completeness, COVID-19 definitions used, data processing, and imputation of missing dates. Weighted estimates may be too high or too low in certain jurisdictions where the timeliness of provisional data has changed in recent weeks relative to prior years. Data for jurisdictions where counts are between 1 and 9 are suppressed.

From
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

You are so welcome

 

Just because the percentage of deaths by age and from Covid are about the same does not mean there were no excess covid deaths. Geeze.

 

The irony of course, is that it was at Hopkins School of Public Health where Event 201 was held.

Pandemic simulation exercise spotlights massive preparedness gap | Hub (jhu.edu)

 

If someone wants to ignore science and call themself a woman or a man, I don’t care. It’s not hurting anymore.
Unlike denying there is a global pandemic

 

There is a "global pandemic" because unelected bureaucrats with vested interests have declared it so.

In reality, it's just flu season.

 

Losing argument when people are dying.... big reason whether you wanna hear it or not that Trump lost

 

From the news reports:
Dr. David Nabarro, the WHO's Special Envoy on COVID-19, told Spectator UK’s Andrew Neil last week that politicians have been wrong in using lockdowns as the “primary control method” to combat COVID-19. “Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” said Nabarro.