House Republicans appear more interested in abortion and transgender issues than national defense!

I have criticized Trump repeatedly for our national debt. However the president is not solely responsible for our national debt. The house of representatives holds the government purse strings.

Again. You are using a four year old thread with a totally different subject. The national debt from four years ago has zero to do with holding up defense spending because of cultural issues. National defense is the single most important function of our government.

 

Refusing to fund the military over social issues has nothing to do with the government spending too much money.

 

I am talking about Republicans threatening to not make good on any of our government obligations, when they threaten to not raise the Debt Limit, to pay for already approved spending. They have done so, recently; and have done so, regularly, whenever a Dem is in the White House, going back to the Tea Party Republicans. So have you made a single post, condemning the irresponsibility of this?

Your attitude, which your quotes show, is that you never put the blame squarely on Republicans, when it is their due; you always put Democrats in the same boat. But, if you showed that same attitude now, you would cite the Republican role in bringing us to this point, with the healthcare issues, related to the Defense budget. You cannot claim this is not a part of Defense spending, after Republicans have objected to the cost of these policies. Do you follow?

When Republicans threaten to wreck our economy, everybody is to blame. But when Democrats stand up for the healthcare needs of our soldiers, it is due to only their lack of regard for our national defense. Never mind that we have Republicans messing with our military, over these same "separate issues," such as Senator Tommy Tuberville, holding up the promotions of scores of top officers, slated to fill important posts including, this summer, our highest military officer, our Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

https://www.justsecurity.org/87364/senator-tommy-tubervilles-dangerous-military-promotion-ploy/

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For many U.S. military officers selected for promotion, 2023 is turning out to be the summer of discontent. With no shortage of threats facing the nation, a military promotion blockade in the Senate has emerged as a full-blown national security crisis. Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) is exercising his authority under Senate rules to halt the promotion of 270 senior military promotions. This number is poised to explode to 650 by the year’s end. With just 852 general and flag officers in the U.S. military, 76% of the nation’s most senior officers are on pace to not be Senate-confirmed by the end of the year.
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But yeah, the Democrats are wrecking our national security.

 

Yes it does, if the way they object to the government "spending too much"-- BTW, all of this, spending that Congress has first approved, if you want to look at the source-- is by threatening to make the government default on its debt. What happened to your proscription, for the Democrats: to just bring their priorities in separate bills, and not let it hold up the defense bill? But it is OK, to hold up our paying of our bills, and risking default? If the government runs out of money, that includes money for the military.

I'll say, a third time, your partisan treatment of similar issues-- such as clean passage of a Defense spending bill, versus clean raising of our Debt Limit-- is completely inconsistent.

 

Some of it is my money, and the govt only has a right to collect some of my money because I get to have a say in how it is spent. You've heard of 'taxation without representation' right? We justified a revolt against England on not having any when the king took your position and said 'its not your money'. The concept that IT IS my money is kinda important to the concept of consent of the governed, and now democracy. We based a revolution on it and won. Now you seem happy to toss it in the trash. Precedent and freedom may not be important to you, but perhaps not having another revolution interests you?

Or maybe not, if you think wasting taxpayer's hard earned money doesnt harm anything. Thats the sort of entitled parasitic elitist snobbery that governments only engage in when their empire is about to collapse, basically begging for peasant revolt and/or civil war.

...which will hurt, among other things, our ability counter China. But then, if we're to stop concerning ourselves with concepts like consent of the governed, taxation with representation, private property and self determinism, why bother opposing China in the first place?

 

I'm not a republican or democrat. Both parties are existential threats. It's typical of democrats to make stupid assumptions. Not passing a war budget is not unpleasant. It's a wet dream.

 

How is this at all responsive to the abortion point? Do the recruiters ask “are you going to need a lot of abortion.”

 

Now we all know this is exaggerated.

Hunter Biden is well ahead of the military on the Republican side of the House. I wonder if they can get his case tacked on to the defense bill?

 

Transgender care aside, why shouldn’t the military healthcare system cover abortion services? You need to understand that the military is basically an employer. And as such it needs to compete with the private sector. Most people in the private sector have employer health insurance that covers abortion. Don’t you think the military is going to have a retention problem if it fails to match the private sector in that regard? I’m not saying women are going to drop out of the military in droves over this. But it will just be one reason among many for women to go to the private sector instead.

Put simply, the military should be providing women all the same benefits that they would generally get working in the private sector, even if those benefits are a hot button issue.

 

That is just part of the negotiations which goes on every year.

Generally, if we actually stuck to the budget, we would not have a deficit problem. The democrats in particular write these bills which are named one thing but cover a multitude of items. I have repeatedly said that congress should vote on those extra items individually rather than the whole mess. That is how I am consistant through both issues.

I said I was less hard over on the abortion issue. I am primarily looking at the transgender issue.

I said I was less hard over on the abortion issue. I am primarily looking at the transgender issue.

 

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, it was Biden who got us out of Afghanistan so terribly that it encouraged Russia to invade Ukraine.

 

You pay for something is it still your money?

 

Our government. Our money.

 

Should we assume that you do not care how the government spend money, because you do not consider it to be your money?

 

You don't get a say, you elect representatives to say for you. And the concept is nonsense.

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Not our government?

 

No you shouldn't because I do.

 

Still not our money.

 

What does that mean?

If the government belongs to us, who does the money belong to?

 

A review of the origin of this thread. This has very little to do with the size of the National Debt, and the military does not pay for abortions. It pays travel expenses if the patient is stationed in a state where Republicans have passed abortion bans.

House Republicans are more interested in abortion and transgender issues than our national defense!

Despite that statement, the forum's Republicans will continue their silence.

ABC reports, "The Senate left Washington for the August recess late Thursday night after passing its version of a massive defense policy bill, teeing up what promises to be a massive fight with the House over the legislation this fall.

"The National Defense Authorization Act is considered must-pass legislation. Congress has cleared it every year for over 60 years. This year, though, the House and Senate passed vastly different versions of the bill after GOP-hardliners in the House attached several hot-button amendments to their national defense legislation, putting the chambers on track for a major collision this fall. They will need to grapple with discrepancies on a number of contentious culture-war issues such as abortion and gender health care.

"The version of the bill that the Senate voted on Thursday night is an $886 billion defense bill that includes provisions to counter China -- a top priority for Democrats -- and extends aid for Ukraine in its ongoing war with Russia. The end result was a broadly bipartisan bill that sailed through final passage by a vote of 86-11.

"It was a different story in the House, where House Speaker Kevin McCarthy led Republicans to successfully include amendments in the package that targeted abortion and gender-affirming care for service members."

I have no words.

 

Democrats should prove they interested in national defense.

Democrats should pass a bill which covers national defense only.

Democrats should pass two supplemental bills which cover abortion and transgender issues.

 

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You don't have a handle on the issues within thread.

For example, you don't know that the Democrats are a minority in the House. Republicans control the legislation passed in the House.

That's it. I don't have time to correct your ignorance.

 

You must have forgot that it was the senate which passed the bill which included abortion and transgender issues. It appears that you are the one who doesn't have a handle on the issues in the thread.