How does the Democratic idea of immigration reform end our illegal problem??

Republicans have offered immigration reform of allowing those who came here illegally a chance to stay and work here, but not a chance of citizenship for the parents, but it does for the children brought here. Democrats are complaining they want a chance for citizenship for all. How does the Democratic plan end our illegal problem? I see the Republican plan doing that.

 

It would seem the Left has no answer to combating illegal immigration. It would seem their ideas just keeps the problem going and going. Is that what America really wants, or do we want to do what is not only fair, but good for America? Come on Dems, give us your idea of how the administration's policy is fair or good for the country. You should be able to back up your policies with good reasons. So far I haven't heard one.

 

Still nothing from the Left. That's because they can't defend immigration reform of citizenship. If so who will back this new Republican plan of allowing illegals to stay and work here but, will not be given a chance of citizenship, but the kids they brought over with them will be? Now before anyone answers, be advised neither side is for kicking them out, so that's off the table right from the start.

 

The only problem the Liberals see with Immigration is that there isn't enough of it. The more dumb people you can promise free stuff to, the more votes you get and thats their ONLY motivation. Safety, culture, its all meaningless. The less safe people feel, the bigger the govt needs to be, thats GOOD for them. The less American culture there is the better, since Liberals want as much diversity as possible, because they think its better that way. Although the less diverse nations are doing the "best". Look at Germany and the Swiss. The more languages there are the more confusion and more confusion is good...bigger govt to control all that confusion....its all according to plan....so transparent=)

Think about it. Look at every country south of us. Why the heck would we want to be like any of them? Yet, Liberals want as many of them as possible, the poorer and less educated the better. All the smart immigrants vote Republican. The main reason people are fleeing our southern neighbors is because they're using all the failed logic that Liberals think is so great. Its astounding.

 

I just mailed this off to all my representatives. If you agree, cut and paste it and send it to yours. Here is where. Just touch your state and get their E-mail and fax numbers.

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

It would seem the Republicans have finally come up with a plan I can go with up to a point. I believe children brought here by their parents illegally, should have a pass to citizenship. I don't believe the parents should. That will only reward them for breaking the law and do nothing of ending our illegal problem. It would only encourage others to sneak in, lay low and jump on the next citizenship bandwagon some years down the road.

Having those here already being allowed to stay and work without the fear of being deported seems to be the best solution. We register those here so we know who they are and how many and anyone not registered, or having a work visa, would not be able to work and be deported when ever they are found. That would take away most of the incentive of sneaking into this country, laying low and hopping on the next citizenship train. It would take care of most of our illegal problems once and for all.

I don't believe most illegals care if they are citizens anyway. Most want to come here and work and be able to send money back home. Most American Hispanics worry that their illegal friends and family will be deported. This will relieve both of them of that worry. Temporary Visa's can be issued to those that are needed that will work jobs that employers can't fill with those people already here This should make most illegals happy that they can come out of the closet and work without the fear of being deported and American Hispanics should be happy they no longer have to worry of friends and relatives being deported. Our illegal problem would finally be fixed and it's fair to everyone including this country. I urge you to support this plan. Both sides can take credit for it.

 

ask any democrat or liberal to name a country or region that allows immigration like ours and also spends as much as we do on social welfare programs and they wont have an answer. a country like that does not exist because it would crumble to dirt within weeks. this is whats happening in the usa though unfortunately on large scale so its not happening in weeks its a long and drawn out decay. soon enough we will start to see record debt, record poor, record numbers of people collecting welfare food stamps in need of any assistance they can get, record numbers jobless people and a middle class slowly sinking into all of these problems. a liberal utopia.

 

The House is looking at passing this in bits, what gets passed in the House won't make it onto the Senate floor. The Senate wants all or nothing when it comes to a path to legalization (i.e. citizenship is what the Democrats want), the GOP won't go that far. Boehner is doing nothing more right now then pacifying the Dems by playing along.

I say give all the illegals an H2A and those that can get work can stay, the others must leave.

 

I think it's a terrible plan. First of all, citizenship or no citizenship, the prize is the ability to live and work here, And we're demonstrating that the absolute best way to do that is to break the law, use identity theft and steal an id and social security number so you can work. If committing those felonies is so great that you get rewarded for committing those crimes, why are they even crimes at all? Let everyone use fake ID's and SS numbers and cross the border whenever we want.

 

If people will just take the time and use the web page I posted and either E=mail your representatives, or copy my letter and tell them this is the only form of immigration reform you will back, we can pressure Democrats into taking it. These illegals and Hispanics want some kind of immigration reform so they can come out of the closet. The Hispanic community will put pressure on Democrats to take it knowing if they don't, it won't happen and the Dems will get blamed for it heading into the next elecction. But we need you to do it. It's all there for you. Take a couple of minutes off this board and send it. It can't happen without your help.

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

 

Your right. We should do something to make them leave or kick them out. But we both know that WON'T HAPPEN. Neither side is for making them leave so this is our best option. The best way to keep them from coming in. If they can't work or become citizens, there is no more reason to come here is there?

 

Using and enforcing E-verify would make a big difference. If illegals can't get work here, they will leave on their own. During the worst of the recession, about 2 million of them left because there just weren't jobs available. Now, on the eve of yet another amnesty, whole families are crossing the border to get in under the wire.

Let me ask you, what is the real difference between what the House wants to do and the Senate? Just citizenship? Paul Ryan already said they would be able to apply for citizenship. Even if it didn't, immediately after the President signed this bill, the Dems would howl how the mean racist Republicans don't want hard working Hispanics to become citizens. So there would be another bill ...

As for enforcement, we both know that's not going to happen.

So this isn't our best option. Our best option would be to enforce our own border laws and identity theft laws and change legal immigration to a skill based points system. But that isn't going to happen either. So if we can't do the right thing, we are better off doing nothing.

 

If they can't prove they have been here for several years, whole families can be deported. If the Dems take the house, they will pass citizenship, you can count on it.

 

What if the Repubs take back the Senate?

 

The thing is, Republicans will pass citizenship. It may not be this year, but after they pass amnesty, they're going to be committed to approving every single amnesty that comes up, why wouldn't they?

 

The whole thing that will make this work and stops people from sneaking in is the fact we never give those that come here illegally, citizenship or allow them to work. Once we allow citizenship, the cycle just keep repeating it's self.

 

They are not allowed to work now, yet they are, E-verify (electronic form of the I-9) will prevent them from doing so, if you continue to claim the SS# is all we need then you have stopped nothing.

 

I don't understand that logic. We've already had an almost identical amnesty in 1986 and the illegal situation is worst than ever. They are not going to be denied citizenship. I don't understand why you think that. The Republican leadership is not going to hold to a position of no citizenship ever, or the good will they think they are accruing by doing an amnesty in the first place will vanish.

Then the Democrats will ride in with a bill to allow them to seek citizenship.... If you are voting for amnesty because you are scared of making Hispanics mad at you, you are then going to turn around and vote against citizenship? No way.