How fast can humans travel in space?

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  1. OldManOnFire

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    Do you have a link to show quantum computing is working day in and day out? Not a link to theories or research or high-hopes...show me the beef!!
     
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    we have fans to twist and bend air.....I dont see the air any catastophe happening anytime soon. Maybe Katrina was caused by someone who left their heater on for too long.

    Breaking the space time continuum is as possible as breaking air
     
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    Air is matter.
    Whatsamattawiyou?

    Are you really so sure of the impossibility of causing rents, ruptures, malignant collapsing of the STC that's Space Time Continuum
    that YOU are willing to threaten existence itself?

    Reminds me of the safety of destroying the Earth's strata to extract natural gas, fracking
    with poor regard for aquifer safety. Hey, once y'did it - there is no going back.
    Enjoy showing your water ignite at the tap and new malignancy clusters. Leukemias/Lymphomas first then on to solid organ tumors. Liver. Kidney. Brain. etc. It takes about 20 years to "see it" in studies


    No Fracking.
    No Warp Drive
    No Bending, Twisting, Manipulating Space Time.
    It's mine too. I need it like I need clean water.


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    No :flagcanada:
     
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    And the fabric of space time is made out of nothing? Only nothing is made out of nothing

    The fabric of space time has to have substance if its able to be manipulated. We just don't know what that substance is.

    I'm glad some people think that its possible to bend nothing.

    No one knows what space time is made out of

    hell, we don't know what gravity exactly is either
     
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    DARK MATTER does not mean it is just Matter that is DARK or unlit.

    We use the term DARK MATTER to describe something we cannot detect in any way and this includes LASERS...as NOTHING REFLECTS OFF DARK MATTER......as it is highly likely Dark Matter is a UNIVERSAL BLEED OVER from MULTIPLE DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY.

    But it is just a TERM....we are not certain what is causing the additional Gravitational Effect.

    AboveAlpha...p.s....the Velocity a Human Being can travel through Space-Time has no boundries if such travel uses Fold Space or Warping via Gravitic Drives.
     
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    If gravity can be created the effect of g-force is negated.
     
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    If the queen had balls she could be king...but I'm thinking what you say above is true...but possible?
     
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    I have a degree specific to the field of Medicine....I just thought I would post that before I replied.

    I Human Being cannot live for any length of time with an G-Force over 1.3 G's.

    Reason.....Circulatory issues, Digestive Issues....etc.

    If a Space Craft was to be in a constant state of Acceleration it should and could easily maintain a 1-G rate of acceleration and this woud not be harmful for those inside.

    1 Week at 2-G acceleration would KILL EVERYONE ABOARD!!!

    The idea is to take INERTIA OUT OF THE EQUATION!!!

    How do you do that?

    Gravitic Drive.

    A Gravitic Drive is NOT a form of Propulsion and in fact a person would not even know they were moving one a WARP OR FOLD SPACE-TIME GRAVITIC DRIVE ENGAGED!!!

    We KNOW this is possible because of a few reasons.

    I cannot discuss.

    The second because just by looking with the Hubble Telescope we have seen GRAVITIC LENSING....GRAVITIC WARPING OF SPACE-TIME...etc.

    So if it can be done in Nature....Human's can do it as well.

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    I'm assuming anything is possible, at the current moment in time it is. There are planets that defy our knowledge of physics. We can't explain them, but they are out there.
     
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    Excuse me but could please tell me which planets you are talking about?

    Are they in our Solar System or Exo-Planets in the Solar Systems of other Stars?

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    Gravitic drive is science-fiction...
     
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    The problem with making assumptions about other physics is they remain assumptions...wild assumptions.

    If it's so easy for mass/humans/ET's to transport at or faster than the SOL then where are they? Lots of things in our own solar system don't make sense but this doesn't mean we have license to theorize science fiction.

    I have high hopes that other intelligent species exist all around the Universe, however, we have zero empirical data to support the idea...
     
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    Yes it is...for Human Beings.....but it can be done....as long as anyone understands and has a UFT.....Unified Field Theory.....a Gravitic Drive would be easy to build.

    Gravitic Drives EXIST.....they are just not ours.

    Human Beings are NOT the only Space Faring Race in the Universe or even Galaxy.

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    You would like evidence and some proof right??

    OK....Google these key search words.

    E.T. CRAFT OVER FLIGHTS WASHINGTON D.C. 1950'S AND 1960'S.

    This is the BIGGEST STORY no one talks about.

    GOOGLE.....USAF F-104 STARFIGHTER DESIGNATED TO CARRY AIR TO AIR NUCLEAR WEAPON TO DOWN E.T. CRAFT OVER FLIGHTS OF WASHINGTON D.C. 1960'S.

    GOOGLE.....Army Air Corps. and Secretary of Defense 1950's TV Interview detail Unknown Craft NOT SOVIET most likely Alien.

    GOOGLE......USAF LANGLEY F-104 Pilots state Unknown Craft Overflying D.C. seem to be PLAYING with us.

    I could go on....but that is enough for now.

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    1952-07-12 to 29 1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident Washington, D.C. United States A series of sightings in July 1952 accompanied radar contacts at three separate airports in the Washington area. The sightings made front page headlines around the nation, and ultimately lead to the formation of the Robertson Panel by the CIA.

    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

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    The 1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident, also known as the Washington flap or the Washington National Airport Sightings, was a series of unidentified flying object reports from July 12 to July 29, 1952, over Washington, D.C. The most publicized sightings took place on consecutive weekends, July 19–20 and July 26–27.


    Contents [hide]
    1 Events of July 19–20
    2 Publicity and Air Force reaction
    3 Events of July 26–27
    4 White House concern and the "shoot-down" order
    5 Air Force explanation
    6 Criticisms of the Air Force explanation
    7 The Robertson Panel
    8 References
    8.1 Notes
    8.2 Sources
    9 External links

    Events of July 19–20[edit]At 11:40 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, 1952, Edward Nugent, an air traffic controller at Washington National Airport (today Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport), spotted seven objects on his radar. The objects were located 15 miles (24 km) south-southwest of the city; no known aircraft were in the area and the objects were not following any established flight paths. Nugent's superior, Harry Barnes, a senior air-traffic controller at the airport, watched the objects on Nugent's radarscope. He later wrote:

    We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft.[1]
    Barnes had two controllers check Nugent's radar; they found that it was working normally. Barnes then called National Airport's other radar center; the controller there, Howard Cocklin, told Barnes that he also had the objects on his radarscope. Furthermore, Cocklin said that by looking out of the control tower window he could see one of the objects, "a bright orange light. I can't tell what's behind it."[1]

    At this point, other objects appeared in all sectors of the radarscope; when they moved over the White House and the United States Capitol, Barnes called Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from National Airport. Although Andrews reported that they had no unusual objects on their radar, an airman soon called the base's control tower to report the sighting of a strange object. Airman William Brady, who was in the tower, then saw an "object which appeared to be like an orange ball of fire, trailing a tail . . . [it was] unlike anything I had ever seen before." As Brady tried to alert the other personnel in the tower, the strange object "took off at an unbelievable speed." Meanwhile, another person in the National Airport control tower reported seeing "an orange disk about 3,000 feet altitude." On one of the airport's runways, S.C. Pierman, a Capital Airlines pilot, was waiting in the cockpit of his DC-4 for permission to take off. After spotting what he believed to be a meteor, he was told that the control tower's radar had picked up unknown objects closing in on his position. Pierman observed six objects — "white, tailless, fast-moving lights" — over a 14-minute period.[2] Pierman was in radio contact with Barnes during his sighting, and Barnes later related that "each sighting coincided with a pip we could see near his plane. When he reported that the light streaked off at a high speed, it disappeared on our scope."

    At Andrews Air Force Base, meanwhile, the control tower personnel were tracking on radar what some thought to be unknown objects, but others suspected, and in one instance were able to prove, were simply stars and meteors. However, Staff Sgt. Charles Davenport observed an orange-red light to the south; the light "would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude . . . this happened several times."[2] At one point both radar centers at National Airport and the radar at Andrews Air Force Base were tracking an object hovering over a radio beacon. The object vanished in all three radar centers at the same time.[3] At 3 a.m., shortly before two United States Air Force F-94 Starfire jet fighters from New Castle Air Force Base in Delaware arrived over Washington, all of the objects vanished from the radar at National Airport. However, when the jets ran low on fuel and left, the objects returned, which convinced Barnes that "the UFOs were monitoring radio traffic and behaving accordingly." [4] The objects were last detected by radar at 5:30 a.m. around sunrise, E.W. Chambers, a civilian radio engineer in Washington's suburbs, observed "five huge disks circling in a loose formation. They tilted upward and left on a steep ascent."

    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington_D.C._UFO_incident

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    White House concern and the "shoot-down" order[edit]The sightings of July 26–27 also made front-page headlines, and even led President Harry Truman to personally call Capt. Ruppelt to ask for an explanation of the sightings. Ruppelt, remembering the conversation he had with Capt. James, told the President that the sightings might have been caused by a temperature inversion, in which a layer of warm, moist air covers a layer of cool, dry air closer to the ground. This condition can cause radar signals to bend and give false returns. However, Ruppelt had not yet interviewed any of the witnesses or conducted a formal investigation.[17]

    CIA historian Gerald Haines, in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs, also mentions Truman's concern. "A massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952, especially in July, alarmed the Truman administration. On 19 and 20 July, radar scopes at Washington National Airport and Andrews Air Force Base tracked mysterious blips. On 27 July, the blips reappeared."[18]

    White House concern may possibly have resulted in an order to shoot down the UFOs, reported in various International News Service (INS) stories on July 29, 1952. E.g., one such story reported that "jet pilots have been placed on a 24-hour nationwide 'alert against the flying saucers' with orders to 'shoot them down' if they ignore orders to land." An Air Force public information officer, Lt. Col. Moncel Monte, confirmed the directive stating, "The jet pilots are, and have been, under orders to investigate unidentified objects and to shoot them down if they can't talk them down."

    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_W...._UFO_incident

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    The Robertson Panel[edit]The extremely high numbers of UFO reports in 1952 disturbed both the Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Both groups felt that an enemy nation could deliberately flood the U.S. with false UFO reports, causing mass panic and allowing them to launch a sneak attack. On September 24, 1952, the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence (OSI) sent a memorandum to Walter B. Smith, the CIA's Director. The memo stated that "the flying saucer situation . . . have national security implications . . . [in] the public concern with the phenomena . . . lies the potential for the touching-off of mass hysteria and panic."[37] The result of this memorandum was the creation in January 1953 of the Robertson Panel. Dr. Howard P. Robertson, a physicist, chaired the panel, which consisted of prominent scientists and which spent four days examining the "best" UFO cases collected by Project Blue Book. The panel dismissed nearly all of the UFO cases it examined as not representing anything unusual or threatening to national security. In the panel's controversial estimate, the Air Force and Project Blue Book needed to spend less time analyzing and studying UFO reports and more time publicly debunking them. The panel recommended that the Air Force and Project Blue Book should take steps to "strip the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired."[38] Following the panel's recommendation, Project Blue Book would rarely publicize any UFO case that it had not labeled as "solved"; unsolved cases were rarely mentioned by the Air Force.

    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_W...._UFO_incident

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    United StatesU.S. investigations into UFOs include:

    The Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU), established by the U.S. Army sometime in the 1940s, and about which little is known. In 1987, British UFO researcher Timothy Good received from the Army's director of counter-intelligence a letter confirming the existence of the IPU. The letter stated that "the aforementioned Army unit was disestablished during the late 1950s and never reactivated. All records pertaining to this unit were surrendered to the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations in conjunction with operation BLUEBOOK." The IPU records have never been released.[39]
    Project Blue Book, previously Project Sign and Project Grudge, conducted by the USAF from 1947 until 1969
    The secret U.S. Army/Air Force Project Twinkle investigation into green fireballs (1948–1951)
    Ghost rockets investigations by the Swedish, UK, U.S., and Greek militaries (1946–1947)
    The secret CIA Office of Scientific Investigation (OS/I) study (1952–53)
    The secret CIA Robertson Panel (1953)
    The secret USAF Project Blue Book Special Report No. 14 by the Battelle Memorial Institute (1951–1954)
    The Brookings Report (1960), commissioned by NASA
    The public Condon Committee (1966–1968)
    The private, internal RAND Corporation study (1968)[40]
    The private Sturrock panel (1998)
    Thousands of documents released under FOIA also indicate that many U.S. intelligence agencies collected (and still collect) information on UFOs. These agencies include the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), FBI,[5] CIA, National Security Agency (NSA), as well as military intelligence agencies of the Army and U.S. Navy, in addition to the Air Force.[note 3]

    The investigation of UFOs has also attracted many civilians, who in the U.S formed research groups such as NICAP (active 1956–1980), Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO) (active 1952–1988), MUFON (active 1969–), and CUFOS (active 1973–).

    In November 2011, the White House released an official response to two petitions asking the U.S. government to acknowledge formally that aliens have visited this planet and to disclose any intentional withholding of government interactions with extraterrestrial beings. According to the response, "The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race."[41][42] Also, according to the response, there is "no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye."[41][42] The response further noted that efforts, like SETI and NASA's Kepler space telescope and Mars Science Laboratory, continue looking for signs of life. The response noted "odds are pretty high" that there may be life on other planets but "the odds of us making contact with any of them—especially any intelligent ones—are extremely small, given the distances involved."[41][42]

    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO

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    Post-1947 sightingsFollowing the large U.S. surge in sightings in June and early July 1947, on July 9, 1947, United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) intelligence, in cooperation with the FBI,[5] began a formal investigation into selected sightings with characteristics that could not be immediately rationalized, which included Kenneth Arnold's and that of the United Airlines crew. The USAAF used "all of its top scientists" to determine whether "such a phenomenon could, in fact, occur." The research was "being conducted with the thought that the flying objects might be a celestial phenomenon," or that "they might be a foreign body mechanically devised and controlled."[43] Three weeks later in a preliminary defense estimate, the air force investigation decided that, "This 'flying saucer' situation is not all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomenon. Something is really flying around."[44]

    A further review by the intelligence and technical divisions of the Air Materiel Command at Wright Field reached the same conclusion. It reported that "the phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious," that there were objects in the shape of a disc, metallic in appearance, and as big as man-made aircraft. They were characterized by "extreme rates of climb [and] maneuverability," general lack of noise, absence of trail, occasional formation flying, and "evasive" behavior "when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar," suggesting a controlled craft. It was therefore recommended in late September 1947 that an official Air Force investigation be set up to investigate the phenomenon. It was also recommended that other government agencies should assist in the investigation.


    LINK....LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO

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    THIS ONE HERE IS SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!!!


    Project SignThis led to the creation of the Air Force's Project Sign at the end of 1947, one of the earliest government studies to come to a secret extraterrestrial conclusion. In August 1948, Sign investigators wrote a top-secret intelligence estimate to that effect, but the Air Force Chief of Staff Hoyt Vandenberg ordered it destroyed. The existence of this suppressed report was revealed by several insiders who had read it, such as astronomer and USAF consultant J. Allen Hynek and Capt. Edward J. Ruppelt, the first head of the USAF's Project Blue Book.[45]

    Another highly classified U.S. study was conducted by the CIA's Office of Scientific Investigation (OS/I) in the latter half of 1952 in response to orders from the National Security Council (NSC). This study concluded UFOs were real physical objects of potential threat to national security. One OS/I memo to the CIA Director (DCI) in December read:

    the reports of incidents convince us that there is something going on that must have immediate attention ... Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such a nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or any known types of aerial vehicles.
    The matter was considered so urgent that OS/I drafted a memorandum from the DCI to the NSC proposing that the NSC establish an investigation of UFOs as a priority project throughout the intelligence and the defense research and development community. It also urged the DCI to establish an external research project of top-level scientists, now known as the Robertson Panel to analyze the problem of UFOs. The OS/I investigation was called off after the Robertson Panel's negative conclusions in January 1953


    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO


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    was called off after the Robertson Panel's negative conclusions in January 1953.[46]

    The Condon CommitteeMain article: Condon Committee
    A public research effort conducted by the Condon Committee for the USAF, which arrived at a negative conclusion in 1968, marked the end of the U.S. government's official investigation of UFOs, though various government intelligence agencies continue unofficially to investigate or monitor the situation.[note 5]

    Controversy has surrounded the Condon Report, both before and after it was released. It has been observed that the report was "harshly criticized by numerous scientists, particularly at the powerful AIAA ... [which] recommended moderate, but continuous scientific work on UFOs."[10] In an address to the AAAS, James E. McDonald stated that he believed science had failed to mount adequate studies of the problem and criticized the Condon Report and earlier studies by the USAF as scientifically deficient. He also questioned the basis for Condon's conclusions[47] and argued that the reports of UFOs have been "laughed out of scientific court."[9] J. Allen Hynek, an astronomer who worked as a USAF consultant from 1948, sharply criticized the Condon Committee Report and later wrote two nontechnical books that set forth the case for continuing to investigate UFO reports.

    Ruppelt recounted his experiences with Project Blue Book, a USAF investigation that preceded Condon's


    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO


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    Claims by military, government, and aviation personnelSince 2001 there have been calls for greater openness on the part of the government by various persons. In May 2001, a press conference was held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., by an organization called the Disclosure Project, featuring twenty persons including retired Air Force and FAA personnel, intelligence officers and an air traffic controller.[96][97][98] [99] [100] [101] [102] They all gave a brief account of what they knew or had witnessed, and stated that they would be willing to testify to what they had said under oath to a Congressional committee. According to a 2002 report in the Oregon Daily Emerald, Disclosure Project founder Steven M. Greer has gathered 120 hours of testimony from various government officials on the topic of UFO's, including astronaut Gordon Cooper and a Brigadier General.[103]

    In 2007, former Arizona governor Fife Symington came forward and admitted that he had seen "a massive, delta-shaped craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona" in 1997.[104]

    On September 27, 2010, a group of six former USAF officers and one former enlisted Air Force man held a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., on the theme "U.S. Nuclear Weapons Have Been Compromised by Unidentified Aerial Objects."[105] They told how they had witnessed UFOs hovering near missile sites and even disarming the missiles.

    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO


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    Now some years ago I was asked to take on a JOB....with my Team.

    I was WARNED IN ADVANCE that due to the NATURE OF THE JOB.....that I would have to be READ INTO certain NEED TO KNOW....compartmentalized issues.

    I was told I would not even be allowed to alert my TEAM to these....NEED TO KNOW issues prior and even during the JOB....so I PASSED ON THE JOB....as I am not Military even if my Team is and my DEAL and CONTRACT and close to a 100% SUCCESS RATE over a long time....has allowed me such a perk.

    A few days later I recieved a communique telling me that if I decided to take the JOB....I would be allowed to diclose to my Team in advance certain NEED TO KNOW issues that were specific to the JOB and to the JOB only but nothing else.

    Ordinarily when I start hearing this kind of talk I PASS RIGHT AWAY!!!

    But I was curious and LIKE AND IDIOT did not listen to my GUT....and agreed to take the JOB.

    I wish I never had.

    None of the members of my Team was harmed or anything like that.....but I more so than my Team was exposed to......CERTAIN REALITIES.

    And once a person is exposed to such realities they can never go back to the way things were before.

    I can't say anything else about this and for all that any of you reading this I could just be providing DISINFORMATION to cover Secret USAF Super High Technology Aircraft and Spacecraft.

    Lord knows History has shown we have done that in the past as at the Groom Lake Facility or Area 51 we began the HAVE BLUE PROGRAM.....any member can now look this up as it has been DECLASSIFIED.

    The HAVE BLUE PROGRAM was the Second Generation Stealth Aircraft....and that's right....2nd Generation!!

    The FIRST GENERATION???

    The SR-71.....which is the first aircraft in History to do many things such as it's records for fixed wing flight altitute and speed but what most people don't know is the Lockheed Martin SR-71 is the first Stealth Aircraft.

    The first operational aircraft designed around a stealth aircraft shape and materials, the SR-71 had several features designed to reduce its radar signature. The SR-71 had a radar cross-section (RCS) of around 10 square meters.[36] Drawing on early studies in radar stealth technology, which indicated that a shape with flattened, tapering sides would reflect most energy away from a radar beam's place of origin, engineers added chines and canted the vertical control surfaces inward. Special radar-absorbing materials were incorporated into sawtooth-shaped sections of the aircraft's skin. Cesium-based fuel additives were used to somewhat reduce exhaust plumes visibility to radar.

    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

    HAVE BLUE was the program to design an aircraft that could not or barely at all be seen by Radar and from this came the F-117.

    What people don't know is we were flying the very first successful versions of HAVE BLUE and the TEST AIRCRAFT DIRECTLY OVER THE SOVIET UNION!!!

    Anyways.....the JOB I took had aspects of this involved and another aspect that was BEYOND NEED TO KNOW!!

    To this day I have a difficult time thinking about it and I am not a person who scares easily.

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    Hey, AboveAlpha. I see you've posted several links to sources about UFO sightings.

    And you've even told us a little bit of your story involving your need to know JOB.

    I always knew you'd make a good test subject. The aliens like 'um fit! Even if it's just for a bloodtest. Well, good job ducking out of that last part if you were able to.

    Oh, and we can't talk about the secret aircraft / spacecraft either. But it's loosely based on the same topic if we can believe that E.T. tech is going into creating experimental aircraft.

    Who knows how many people here might have looked up into the sky at night and seen something interesting. :smile:
     
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    My main point is for anyone to say that there is absolutely no evidence to support that Aliens and Alien Craft have visited Earth.....is simply not a fact.

    The evidence is OVERWEALMING!!!

    I would think that staements by U.S. Astronauts such as Gordon Cooper and Mitchelle and Aldrin...etc....and statements by Soviet and Russian Cosmonauts are the most reliable.

    These people are HERO'S OF THE STATE!!

    They have all signed NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS....and I have as well.

    But I CAN DISCUSS THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RENDERED DE-CLASSIFIED BY THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT!!!

    These people who were in Space have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO GAIN AND EVERYTHING TO LOSE FOR TALKING ABOUT ALIEN VISITATIONS!!!

    But they get to a certain age where they believe they only have a few more years to live and THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW!!

    Ever heard the saying......REALITY IS STRANGER THAN FICTION.

    This is one of those cases.

    And the thing is I SUPPORT THE SUPRESSSION OF PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE EXISTENCE OF NOT JUST ONE BY MANY BOTH KNOWN AND UNKNOWN ALIEN RACES!!!!

    Why?

    People cannot handle it.

    NO WAY!

    We have people killing one another over such things as whether a woman shoud were a veil over her face or people killing each other over POLITICAL IDEOLOGY!!

    IMAGINE.....if such people were to EXPERIENCE even a small amount of what I have....or become aware of even 1/10th of what I KNOW?

    THEY WOULD REACT IN A CRAZY, OUT OF CONTROL, FEARFUL, ANIMALISTIC NATURE!!!

    People are just not ready.

    Some people THINK they are ready.....but I am TELLING YOU.....the REALITY is so far out there and so....UNIMAGINABLE!!!
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, I have seen similar resistance to the idea of the existence of E.T.s. And when I look into such people's eyes I see that they're not ready for it.

    But you? I have the impression that you're squeamish about such things.

    Look when an ET person is standing over your incapacitated body wondering where to start that's just life. I think it's a character building experience. Why aren't people giddy that they are coming for you, and once they have you they can do whatever they want? :alientwo:

    But the ET person still moves like a person, acts like person, is a person. It doesn't mater what they look like, whether its a full-body grey suit (with a blank, featureless faceplate) or a hairy badger man, they are all kind and beautiful people... just not to you.
     
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    Your misunderstanding my post.

    I am not squeemish at all.

    I have performed Surgery upon myself in the field.

    What I am talking about I cannot discuss.

    But it has nothing to do with bodies Human or Not.

    AboveAlpha
     

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