How is Robbing Someone With a Government Morally Superior to Robbing Them With a Gun?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Brewskier, Aug 28, 2015.

  1. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    There are no similarities between people who make money and have the ability to pay versus those who don't. It's not the same argument at all. If we have the resources, we should make sure our fellow Americans do not go hungry. Especially over stupid economic beliefs that make more people unemployed. If we need to get Reagan back. He'd spend money to make sure our economy doesn't suffer like it is now. Republicans are destroying this nation.
     
  2. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    We should make sure our fellow Americans don't go hungry, because....

    Sorry, but you're going to have to do better than play the "well there are people who simply can't work! What about them?!?!?!?"

    I've seen way too many people who can work, but don't because if they do, they lose their section 8 housing, their medicare, welfare checks, and quality time spent with their children teaching them that all they have to do is get pregnant and uncle Obama is going to give them money.

    I've been around the world and have seen some heartbreaking stuff. I'd rather my money go to help some old lady in Manila get a decent meal than worry about some American skank that can't keep her legs shut.

    One time I was in Cambodia and I saw a starving kid give money to one of those buddhist scavengers so he could say a few prayers that might help ease his hunger pangs. I bought the kid a couple sandwiches.

    That's my money going to a better cause than whatever you might think my money should be spent on. Now if you like paying taxes, then fine. Just don't expect me to join in with you on your crusade to help America's poor become even fatter than they already are. You use your money the way you want to, and I use my money the way I want to.

    Deal?
     
  3. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    Because we can and have the resources.

    I think people who don't work and get minimal amounts of money our the least of our concerns. I honestly don't care that much about them. Not sure why you guys care so much about people who make so little.

    This seems more like a personal problem. I rather have the skank get birth control or not have children. Trust me, I don't "like" poor people. I simply don't care that couple cents on the dollar of my taxes goes to them. I much rather have people being able to purchase stuff than suffer because of a ridiculous ideology.

    Anecdotal evidence has no meaning to me. Like I said above, I'm not a fan of welfare recipients and I think we should make them work for their welfare. But at the end of the day, it is a very insignificant issue to the country in terms of your tax dollars. It's just a good issue for conservatives and libertarians to complain about. If you were serious about your tax dollars your biggest issue would be the military. But that's a protective waste of money for conservatives, so I understand poor people who have nothing are the most important targets.
     
  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    come on Brewskier, it's not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country

    guess what, I have paid the same taxes under republicans as dems.... so your gonna pay the tax regardless if we help the poor, disabled and elderly or not
    the left prefers to help the least in our society, republicans prefer to spend it on war, religion and the rich...

    ...
     
  5. Longshot

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    So you're saying that we need to pay federal taxes because we use federal infrastructure. What federal infrastructure do you claim that I use?
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Damn, I might move after all.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Interstates. You don't ever use the Local Beltway in your area? You don't use or make things shipped to or from other States and thus subject to Interstate Commerce. You're not in any kind of business that deal with other states and thus uses the UCC? You wouldn't call the FEDERAL Bureau of Investigation if your children were kidnapped? You don't use Federal money? etc. etc. etc. etc.

    This was a serious question, right?
     
  8. kreo

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    why don't Americans of European descent group together and fight for their freedom?
    I guess they can't, because they are too wealthy.
     
  9. Longshot

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    No, I don't use the local beltway. But I do pay gasoline taxes to pay for federal highways.

    Don't use, don't want, never asked for, don't need any of the other stuff you listed (which isn't infrastructure anyway). If the feds want to do all that crap, they're welcome to, I'm not asking them to, so don't make it sound like I'm asking for something and then refusing to pay for it.
     
  10. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    It should be noted that the actual production costs for marijuana are about $10-$20 per pound if grown commerically like other agricultural products and the price difference is based upon several factors. First, in most places it's a black market commodity and the black markets always increases the cost significantly. Second is where it's legal the government attempts to tax the product to match the black market prices and that drives up the costs. In WA for example, the grower was hit with a 25% tax, the distributor was hit with a 25% tax, and the retailer was hit with a 25% tax. Additionally the government imposed strict growing requirements that dramatically reduced the supply of marijuana that drives up the costs. You can't grow it on a 40 acre farm with natural sunlight for example but instead must grow it in a secured building with expensive artificial lighting. Additionally the number of growers was highly limited to ensure that supply was very limited. If it would have been taxed at 0% like other agricultural products we purchase at the market and grown like a normal farm commodity then the price would drop down to the $10-$20 per pound that represents the actually costs for a commerically grown agricultural product.
     

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