How Long Should the US Government Sustain an Economically Unsustainable Middle Class?

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  1. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    Right, because with less government and less laws and regulation, there would be no need for businesses to lobby, they'll just do what they want(pretty much like they do currently) only they'll save a buck by not having to pay for lobbyists.
     
  2. danielpalos

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    Why should money capital be an issue in our capital based system of markets and republican for of government? From one perspective, it makes it seem like the electorate of the United States doesn't have enough capital management skills to perform its chore to its republic in a more market friendly manner.

     
  3. philxx

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    Middle Class=to fat,stupid and parasitic to be saved.:boo::spin::boo:

    proof of the pudding ,Obama and the tearepublican candidates .Wouldn't feed any of them.

    magnificant ,NOT,examples of the US Middle class.See what I mean?
     
  4. SiliconMagician

    SiliconMagician Banned

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    Okay so someone please answer the question.

    What are we supposed to do with the 45-50 year old baby boomer who spent his entire career in various factory jobs, has very few tranferrable skills, but still has a house payment, car payment and family to support but will probably never ever be hired again in the same type of position that paid middle class wages becuase those jobs are gone and never coming back.

    How long are we supposed to let that bastard maintain his middle class standard of living on unemployment/welfare? For the rest of his (*)(*)(*)(*)ing life?
     
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    How long....let's see....I know. How about as long as profit can be had by selling off jobs and as long as obscene CEO bonuses keep occurring?! Rape at one end of the scale by upper tier greedsters should have others at the other end of the spectrum gaining a little something from the corrupted system as well.
     
  6. Albert Di Salvo

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    The desperation of others is an interesting phenomenon to observe from a position of safety. How long should the inevitable be put off? Doesn't matter in the end.

    America is on a rendezvous with gravity. It's going to get ugly.
     
  7. philxx

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    Concidering that in the 35year life of working in Factories that worker has produced tens of millions dollars worth of useful commodity production ,yep drop the retirement age and pay him the average weekly wage for life.Sounds fair.

    Whereas lets take your typical middle class parasite Capitialist wanna be, that has never done anything usfull in his Political career,in the Democratic party ,Obama is 50.

    Or maybe the 50year old stock market speculator earning zillions for doing what exactly?

    Oh thats right destroying the lives of millions for personal gain.

    Full indexed for cost of living pensions for all workers who are unemployed through no fault of their own.
     
  8. SiliconMagician

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    I agree. I just wish it would hurry up and happen already. Uncertainty is worse.
     
  9. philxx

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    This is only the Revolution begining it is happening ,US Imperialism dead system collapsing.

    There is no escape ,Socialist Revolution or WW3 take your choice fence sitting and ignoring politics is so yesterday.
     
  10. Albert Di Salvo

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    The story of America will be a cautionary tale told in the future. It will be a classic tale of hubris and nemesis. It's really quite tragic. The only way I've been able to deal with the fall of my beloved country has been to detach myself emotionally from it.
     
  11. SiliconMagician

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    LMAO

    This is fully economically unsustainable.
     
  12. danielpalos

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    From a philosophical point of view, a social safety net should be available as long as it is needed or it is not a true social safety net.

    It should also provide for the general welfare by functioning as a multiplier in a positive manner as a form of investment.
     
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    He's from Finland or somewhere. He has no right to enter into this conversation. He does it all the time though like his input is desired. He is a European hack licking his chops waiting for the US to fold so his economy blossoms.
     
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    A middle class could better sustain itself, without a War on Drugs and that form of entitlement spending, if we merely solved official poverty instead of merely spending lucre for a War on Poverty.
     
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    Was this topic supposed to say an unsustainable "upper" class?

    Who got bailed out and who got sold out?
     
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    The demise of the middle class has actually been due to higher economic "efficiency", through free trade agreements and immigration. Middle class Americans no longer have a monopoly on jobs, which can be done cheaper by others.

    There has been a fundamental restructuring of the economy. This restructuring was not "inevitable", it was purposefully planned out well in advance. Advocates of free trade and immigration told everyone that it would create more jobs. What they did not say was that these new jobs would be much lower paying.
     
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    The easiest option is to create a private sector social safety net. The federal government need not maintain a massive welfare to ensure a steadily increasing storage of wealth to help the middle class maintain its standard of living. The free market is more than capable of doing so.

    In addition, allowing the free market to develop efficient mechanisms to stabilize economic downturns, as well as render positive demand shocks is key. This will lead to increases in nominal wages (among other inputs in production), decreasing supply, increasing incomes in the short-run, while in the long-run leading to increases in outpute per worker, or real GDP per capita, specifically if human capital, physical capital, and technology improves and increases.
     
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    All we really need to do is solve official poverty via market friendly means to ensure that our economy functions in a manner analogous to a rising tide lifting all boats.
     
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    Using your mum's computer again?
     
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    Remember those churches and mosques and synagogues you don't go to? They do charity. They help people. We've had "private solutions" for thousands of years.
     
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    I should phrase the term better. The easiest option is to create a viable private sector social safety net, one which could replace government structures. Charity does not constitute such a system, although it certainly should be enhanced.
     
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    It would be easier to simply solve for a natural rate of unemployment above one percent through unemployment compensation that conforms to the concept and legal doctrine of employment at will.
     
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    Why must everything be a conspiracy?

    In both the US and the world, you have a declining or flat economy, a more efficient private sector, most governments deep in debt, the stupid USA involved in military actions all over the world, a full-on global economy, and continued population increases! Please explain how any of these are a conspiracy that has been 'planned'?
     
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    A one time 100% tax on all assets over $10,000,000 would create a surplus and save the middle class and NOBODY WOULD BE HURT! That's TRUE......NOBODY WOULD FEEL EVEN A TINY BIT O PAIN. No starvation, no death nothing!
     
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    LMAO

    A Government theft of a scale unheard of in the history the USA for the purpose of distribution.

    Whether someone would be "hurt" or not, is irrelevant. Those assets are private property that cannot just be confiscated in such a gross manner and what makes you so faithful Government would use the funds in a proper way?
     

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