How much will inflation and record gas prices cost the average American family in 2022?

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  1. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, are you going to reveal your mystical store of scientific knowledge? Or keep it to yourself? Every book of science references scientific journals as their primary sources. Every one. If you've ever taken a serious scientific class, they teach you how to go to the primary sources, being scientific journals, to use for research papers. I'm not sure you even know what they are. They are where scientists that conduct their experiments and studies publish their results. Before they are able to be published, they are peer reviewed by other scientists to ensure that they were able to come up with similar results when they try to replicate the experiment. Literally all scientists in the world use these journals for their scientific knowledge.
     
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    I am well aware of the damage other sources do to the environment. It is exactly why more investment needs to be made in making it better. The solution will likely be one part making alternative energy sources less destructive and more efficient, and the other part will be using less energy overall, and finding some middle ground between the two. No energy source will be perfect, but fossil fuels are damaging just from their use, are almost depleted (at least to the point where extraction is giving us a positive return on investment), and are becoming more and more damaging in extraction. Many of the remaining oil reserves are in extremely sensitive ecological areas, whereas many alternative sources of energy can be kept out of these areas.
     
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    Just a heads up, renewables investment is at an all-time high. Do you think the government will somehow make this grand new non-destructive renewable? Do you like nuclear, cleanest most efficient in the world?
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I think we should definitely be using nuclear way more than we already do. I think the fears people have are way overblown. When there is a nuclear disaster, it is bad, but it is only in a relatively small area. On the other hand, fossil fuels are thousands of times more deadly to humans, and over a much much larger area.

    I think eventually fusion will help meet most of our energy needs, but that is some way off in the future.
     
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    Don't worry.

    The worlds stupidest people are working hard at making it worse.
     
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    Hitting $4.15 here now. And the Biden energy plan..........blame Putin.
     
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    It doesn't and our national energy policy is a national security matter and an economic matter so what is Biden's plan to get our energy cost down other than blame Putin now.
     
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    It effected all oil products including gas. Nixon's price controls, Nixon was not a fiscal conservative, were a disaster. It took Reagan and deregulation and lower taxes.
     
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    Just look at the age of the reactors that had accidents.
     
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    Looks like he's doing about what he can, and as the president his options are somewhat limited to begin with since crude oil prices are set on the world market. If we as a country were smart, we wouldn't be exporting any of the oil and gas we have. We have to remember that the oil and gas industry LOVE high oil prices. The industry wants the exact thing that hurts the rest of us, and loves that we blame the president with his limited involvement and ignore the record profits they are making. It's a racket. If the high cost of oil was truly driving the high cost of gas, their profits should stay somewhat relative to what they always are because of the increased expense of buying the crude. But it's not. Which means it's not just the high cost of oil that's making us pay more, there are more factors involved. But we don't look any deeper than blaming the president.
     
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    What is YOUR plan to get our energy prices down? Are you going to drive less? Buy a more fuel efficient car next time? Install better insulation in your house? Put solar on your roof? Or are you going to just whine about Biden, while contributing to the problem of why the US is so vulnerable to worldwide energy prices?
     
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    It doesn't have to be. The technology is well known and all that has to be put on it is money. It's no more expensive than these flashy phallic rockets the billionaires keep launching but it is riskier (as in losing money, not blowing up) so the billionaires are waiting for the government to take the big risks ala a new Manhattan project before they'll step in
     
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    I'm working on an after market conversion to make a car a hybrid. It's based on the idea that you can put the rotor of an electric motor on one or more of the wheels and a big battery in the trunk. All I need is to get a degree in electrical and automotive engineering, no biggie.
     
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    As to the bolded sentence: I'll go against common "wisdom" here and hope that we DO NOT master nuclear fusion for energy production. Why? Use the energy of the sun, get the temperature of the sun. In the long run, it won't solve our problems anyway. Humanity has the tendency to ALWAYS fill out the energy envelope that is provided to us. If we had fusion, we'd just do this at a much higher energy consumption level, and everyone would STILL be whining about energy prices.
     
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  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No, but a Hummer EV certainly can

    You may drive and pay for the car yourself but if it is using an inordinate amount of gasoline you are making it more expensive for everyone, me included. You don't have the freedom to keep swinging your gas guzzler arms if you're hitting everyone else's compact car nose with them.
     
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    We had to break inflation first, that was Volcker, Reagan just made the Fed's job harder.

    What turned the economy around back then was business purchases. They had deferred purchases in the 70s and early 80s. But by the mid 80s, their stuff was breaking, and they had to go buy stuff. A lot of stuff.

    Reagan was a mixed bag:

    https://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Poli...&sprefix=david+stockman,stripbooks,102&sr=1-3
     
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    Are you willing to learn about it if I were to teach it to you?

    Science is not a book. Science is not a journal.

    Classes are not scientific. Science is not a class. Science is not a journal. Science is not a research paper.

    I know what they all are. I also know that none of them are science.

    Science is not a dude in a lab. Science is not a publication.

    Science is not peer review.

    Science is not a journal.

    Are you ready to learn what science actually is?
     
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  18. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    this is most likely very true. I saw this little video once explaining using bottles and bacteria as an analogy, how what seemed like unlimited space and opportunity a short while earlier was filled extremely quickly, with once again no room to expand. Exponential growth and all that. I’ll have to find it when I get a little more time.
     
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    You are absolutely absurd. But sure, yes, the anticipation is killing me. Tell me what your version of science actually is.
     
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    Oh, you don't have to educate me on exponential growth, it's been one of my hobbies for a long time to point out the follies behind it. Below is a link to a blog that is a good read, I've posted it before, but it usually falls on deaf ears. You seem to be the only one I have met so far who wants to know things about EROI and such. Most people really just don't want to think about the bigger picture, which is unfortunate.

    https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/04/economist-meets-physicist/
     
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    i will certainly check it out, thanks for the link!
     
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    Short of needing a Dyson Sphere Fusion can provide all the energy we could possibly ever need under any circumstance, cheaply, cleanly and safely. It is the true panacea to end all panaceas, at least in energy.
     
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    What a nonsense post "What are you going to do about it" What the poster you were responding to or anyone else does -- has nothing to do with what Biden is doing .. or not doing. fallacyland. Same as those dumb arguments put forward on the right .. "Micheal Moore drives a BMW" and other fallacious silliness.

    Consider yourself "chastised"
     
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    No, it isn't. If you had asked someone in the 15th century that people in the 21st century would whine when energy prices go up a little, so they can only consume 90 times instead of 100 times the daily energy use of a human body, they would think you are insane. So, let's say nuclear fusion becomes reality, and energy prices drop by a factor of 10 or more. What will the human response be? Consume 10-times more energy. So, there we will be, 100 years after nuclear fusion becomes mainstream: Everyone consumes 10,000 times the daily energy use of a human body, we fight among countries over resources as we have done in the past, and people still whine that energy is too expensive. It is, unfortunately, human nature (or shall we say physical law). The human body is just a catalyst for entropy production. It will catalyze entropy at the largest rate available within the constraint of the system. If that constraint is nuclear fusion, we'll fill out the energy envelope provided by it. Unfortunately, the energy envelope provided by nuclear fusion comes with the disadvantage of lots of heat. Use the power source of the sun (fusion), get the temperature of the sun. If nuclear fusion becomes viable, global warming of today is going to be child's play.
     
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    Yes, it does. ONE person driving a F150 is no big deal, but there are 16.5 million F150s on the road in the US, not even counting pickup trucks from other companies. So, if all of these gas guzzling drivers combined would reduce their gas consumption, by driving less miles or switching to a more fuel efficient car, gas prices would go down. Supply and demand and such... Of course, I realize that it is easier to cry "Biden bad" than to look at ones own behavior.
     
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