How much will Trump supporters will tolerate?

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  1. Jimmy79

    Jimmy79 Banned

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    I know. They aren't threatening war because of Facebook posts. Trump pulled most of our troops out of Syria.
     
  2. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    You're demonstrating a case of willful ignorance, which can be cured with a little dose of FACTS. Observe and learn:

    In Trump’s “amended” version, he unilaterally authorizes the Secretary of Defense and the heads of all branches of the military to call up service members who still have time left on their “enlistment contracts” which is no different from Bush’s order. However, Trump also “invoked” U.S. Code Title 10 §§ 688 and 690 that gave him authority to suspend those “laws” regarding any retired members of the military so he can order them to report for muster and be ready to go to war.

    Every service member is required to be “available for service” after their “active duty” time is over; it is called “Individual Ready Reserves” or IRR. This author’s son was called up after serving in Iraq and being mustered out of the Army. For example, if a soldier enlisted for 4 years, they are still “under contract” for an additional 4 years after leaving the military. Add to that horror, the military can call up an inactive soldier at the end of that 4 year inactive period and then use a mechanism called “stop loss” to keep a service member in the field for as long as the military sees fit. Many Iraq Veterans were called up under IRR and then kept “in country” for 18 months at a stretch.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...s-Back-Door-Draft-for-America-s-Next-Big-Wars




    https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...mp-bolton-and-the-alleged-march-to-fight-iran
     
  3. Jimmy79

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    You really used the daily kook for a source?

    Let's me offer you up some real knowledge.

    1. When you enlist in the military, you enlist for 8 years. If you sign up for active duty, you do your initial enlistment which is usually 4 or 5 years. Then if you dont re-enlist, you are moved into the inactive reserve for 3 or 4 years. You have no formal obligations with the military, but you are encouraged to keep the DoD up to date with your contact info. If you sign up for active reserve, you do you initial training then report to your reserve unit for the rest of your, typically, 6 year enlistment. The last 2 years spent on inactive reserves.

    2. All officers and all retirees spend their life in the inactive reserves after they leave active or reserve service.

    There is no "backdoor draft" as the morons at dailykook lied to you about.
     
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    I debunked that fake news Daily Kos article back on post #106. Why are you using it to peddle the same falsehoods again in the same thread?
     
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    Nice recitation … which does NOT change what is a matter of fact, a matter of history:

    Stop-loss was created by the United States Congress after the Vietnam War. Its use is founded on Title 10, United States Code, Section 12305(a) which states in part: "... the President may suspend any provision of law relating to promotion, retirement, or separation applicable to any member of the armed forces who the President determines is essential to the national security of the United States" and Paragraph 10(c) of DD Form 4/1 (The Armed Forces Enlistment Contract) which states: "In the event of war, my enlistment in the Armed Forces continues until six (6) months after the war ends, unless the enlistment is ended sooner by the President of the United States."

    Every person who enlists in a branch of the U.S. Armed Forces signs an initial contract with an eight (8) year service obligation. The enlistment contract for a person going on active duty generally stipulates an initial period of active duty from 2 to 5 years, followed by service in a reserve component of the Armed Forces of the United States for the remainder of the eight year obligation.[1] Service members whose ETS, retirement, or end of service obligation date falls during a deployment may be involuntarily extended until the end of their unit's deployment.


    In a campaign speech in 2004, then-presidential candidate John Kerry described stop-loss as a "backdoor draft."[2] The use of stop-loss has been criticized by activists and some politicians as an abuse of the spirit of the law, on the basis that Congress has not formally declared war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-loss_policy

    Reporting in the December 29, 2003, edition of the Washington Post, Lee Hockstader wrote that the "Army Stops Many Soldiers From Quitting. Orders Extend Enlistments to Curtail Troop Shortages".

    "...thousands of soldiers [have been] forbidden to leave military service under the Army's 'stop-loss' orders, intended to stanch the seepage of troops, through retirement and discharge, from a military stretched thin by its burgeoning overseas missions.
    "To the Pentagon, stop-loss orders are a finger in the dike -- a tool to halt the hemorrhage of personnel, and maximize cohesion and experience, for units in the field in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Through a series of stop-loss orders, the Army alone has blocked the possible retirements and departures of more than 40,000 soldiers, about 16,000 of them National Guard and reserve members who were eligible to leave the service this year. Hundreds more in the Air Force, Navy and Marines were briefly blocked from retiring or departing the military at some point this year.
    "By prohibiting soldiers and officers from leaving the service at retirement or the expiration of their contracts, military leaders have breached the Army's manpower limit of 480,000 troops, a ceiling set by Congress."
    https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Stop-loss_order
     
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