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How Should We Respond to Foreign Attempts at Sowing Discord and Violence

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Meta777, Oct 14, 2018.

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  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Did Jesus not also demonstrate force and violence when it was deemed necessary, such as driving money lenders out of the church in such a demonstration they fled in fear of their own lives?
     
    Xenamnes, Oct 18, 2018
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  2. Sanskrit

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    Yeah, 9X% of that is DOMESTIC, public union PR, paid LW shills. Have posted all the documentation of that lately in other threads. As stated, why would foreign interests seeking illicit profit from our government try to influence elections when they can just buy those elected instead? Why upset or imperil the golden graft goose? it doesn't and has never made any sense at all.

    "Muhrussia" is just "clickbait" misspelled. "Muhrussia" is just LW salt and projection misspelled. "Muhrussia" is just "DEFLECTION" of very real U.S. public union and Soros entity shilling misspelled.

    The only question that remains is how long the Left will keep it up before realizing how counterproductive the whole muhrussia hoax is.
     
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  3. Moonglow

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    Do you always bend the rules to play like some illegals are breaking into your house yet not stealing anything of yours in your house?
     
    Moonglow, Oct 18, 2018
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  4. Moonglow

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    So Jesus was anti-capitalist..
     
    Moonglow, Oct 18, 2018
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  5. Kode

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    Do you understand that there is PROOF that Russia intervened in our election to get Trump elected and they did it using very sophisticated KGB techniques?
     
    Kode, Oct 18, 2018
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  6. Sanskrit

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    No, because there is none.
     
    Sanskrit, Oct 18, 2018
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    Kode, Oct 18, 2018
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  8. Sanskrit

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    ...and yet another massive LW irony universe BANGS into existence.

    Yes, they did... just cite to... a blog... claiming the Steele Dossier as evidence of Russian interference in U.S. elections... on behalf of Trump. No wonder their politics end up the way they do given the raw material they start with. I'm very sorry for you.
     
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    It's an analysis with links to prove the claims. It proves Trump was sucking up to Putin and cooperating with Russian interference with our election. But your rejection and denial was completely expected. The right is not known for liking facts.
     
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    Your -old- blog proves nothing. Perhaps you should do a bit more digging regarding the origin and use of the Steele Dossier before you embarrass yourself further.
     
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    I posted a link with analysis, references, links to other sources, and facts. You posted your known right wing opinion. LOL!!!! Bye.
     
    Kode, Oct 18, 2018
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  12. Xenamnes

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    Pray tell what exactly is being referred to on the part of yourself in the above?
     
    Xenamnes, Oct 18, 2018
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  13. Meta777

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    Makes sense, will be sure to add this one to the list.
    I agree Russians are taking advantage of some pre-existing issues within our society.
    I think it makes sense to respond somehow to their actions, but we also need to
    do things to make ourselves less susceptible to such malicious exploitation.

    -Meta
     
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    I've thought about this awhile, Meta, and the best answer I can come up with is for our government and private social media to work with each other to expose it.

    We need to be careful not to step on the civil rights of ordinary Americans, even if that means that some of this foreign born propaganda gets out. Calls for violence are not acceptable from anyone - American citizens or foreign entities - but American citizens should not be censored or investigated by the FBI if their point of view "sows discord".

    But if the source of the discordant material is a foreign government, it should be exposed as such.

    Seth
     
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    You think it's espionage for foreign entities to try to influence our elections?

    Sigh.... you're gonna make it real difficult for our own guys in foreign countries if that law is mirrored, and mirrored it will be.

    I already provided ample evidence that we do that kinda thing all the time. You ignore that, and pretend that we're suddenly the only people in the world who are targeted by foreign countries, and we are completely innocent...

    sigh... seriously?
     
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    Unfortunately, we aren't able to respond properly. We just don't have it within ourselves to stop being stupid.
     
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    This is due primarily to the existence of social media, and the population size being far too large.
     
    Xenamnes, Oct 19, 2018
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  18. Meta777

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    Lol, What's so funny?
     
    Meta777, Oct 19, 2018
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  19. Meta777

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    And so it goes with these threads... but denials and diversions here don't matter so much just so long as at least a few of us can focus on the actual topic long enough to come up with and discuss at least a few good solution ideas. And I think that the idea you suggested is a good one, probably one of the more impactful ones too, at least when it comes to foreign online activities.

    I actually do have a computer science degree. But like you I am just as baffled at the perpetual lack of digital solutions to these sorts of issues. It seems to me, that we are not dealing with a technical issue here, rather it is a political issue. What we lack is sufficient political will to try and solve the problem. We could prevent hacking, or at least make it significantly more difficult if we wanted. We could do something about the hoards of fake accounts created from Russia, and probably without all that much effort, if we tried. It does appear at least, that Facebook and Twitter have at least started to look into doing things about the fake accounts. But generally speaking I would say that there isn't really much incentive for private entities to try and do much about stuff like this on their own accord... unless they're shamed into it. So because this is something that affects us all,... we need to find the political will to talk about the issues, the will to think about why and how Russia does what it does, to somehow get our laws and regulations to catch up with the times.

    -Meta
     
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    They say that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

    Agreed! I think that we should try to do something to stop or hinder these foreign efforts,
    but we shouldn't go so far trying to extinguish every bit of it that we overstep and inadvertently limit the freedoms of actual Americans.

    Well, sowing discord is one thing, but I would say that people who specifically call for violence,
    as in, persistently trying to get others to kill or injure others (not just off-handed one-time remarks)
    I do think that these people ought to be looked at by the FBI, American citizen or foreigner regardless,
    but otherwise I agree with you. Will add your suggestions to the list.

    -Meta
     
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    Maybe pf should ban all foreign posters during an election. Seems like every country on earth is here meddling in our politics.
     
    TheGreatSatan, Oct 19, 2018
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    That's what I was trying to say (perhaps got lost in the sometimes murkiness of the written word). "Discord" is normal. When the government doesn't allow discord, we're in big trouble (think Nazi Germany or North Korea). But calls for violence over politics are wrong and un-American, and we all need to condemn it.

    Seth
     
    Seth Bullock, Oct 19, 2018
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    Stop trying to be better socialists than them.

    I think that answers both questions.
     
    Chester_Murphy, Oct 19, 2018
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    I'm not sure how you got all of that from what you quoted.
    But anyways, if American spy agencies are engaged in similar bad behaviors in other countries,
    and other countries want to set up similar laws to prevent that... well perhaps that is the way things should be.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Oct 20, 2018
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    Now that you mention it, when I started this thread I mentioned Russia and China.
    And now, just a few days latter I learn that Iran and Saudi Arabia may be up to stuff as well.
    I think we advertise weakness and invite this sort of thing when it happens and we fail to take action.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Oct 20, 2018
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