How silly would it be to get infected at this point for purely political reasons!

Well based on the math, in a normal year 2.875 million people die in a year. Total feats stand somewhere around 3 million that would mean 125 k deaths above normal. That would mean of the covid deaths last year more than 2/3 were people already dying of something else.

 

Who said anything about inconvenience? My fight is against authoritarianism.

 

For your info, this morning, I read an article about Canada's new Covid19 travelling restrictions/strict quarantine rules, and some posters in the Covid19 Pandemic Forum have equated Uncle Trudeau's strict restrictions/rules to Fascism/Authoritarianism.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, HOWEVER, according to my research, I understand Uncle Trudeau's rationality.

Fact; Although that most of their Seniors have been vaccinated, their recent surge of the B117 variant is making younger people sicker, and said variant has increased Covid19's Case hospitalization rate, and has already overwhelmed many hospitals/ICU's.

Next.....U.S. and Canada's number of ICU beds per 100,000 pop

U.S............36 ICU beds per 100,000 pop, total; 120,000 ICU beds
Canada.....12 ICU beds per 100,000 pop, total; 4,440 ICU beds


Fact; U.S. Total Covid19 Hospitalizations, April 2nd; 1,035,599
Per 1M pop; 1,035,599/332 = 3119
Fact; U.S. Cumulative Covid19 Cases; 31,298,880.......Worldometers
Current Case Hospitalization Rate; 3.3%
https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project

Fact; Canada's Total Covid19 Hospitalizations, April 1st; 36,358
https://health-infobase.canada
Per 1M pop; 36,358/37 = 1,000
Fact; Canada's Cumulative Covid19 Cases; 999,232......Worldometers
Current Case Hospitalization Rate; 3.6%

THUS, per 1M pop, U.S. and Canada's Covid19 Hospitalization Ratio; 3 to 1
Per 100,000 pop, U.S. and Canada's ICU Beds Ratio; 3 to 1
Per 1M pop, U.S. and Canada's Covid19 Cases Ratio; approx. 3 to 1

THUS, all of the above-mentioned comparisons clearly show that since the pandemic began, when our hospitals were overwhelmed, so as Canada's hospitals.

HOWEVER,

U.S. Total Vaccines administered; Approx. 160 million, thus, approx. 48% of population

Canada's Total Vaccines administered; Approx. 6 million, thus, approx. 16% of population

AND due to a surge of the B117 variant, which country will mostly likely re-overwhelmed their hospitals?

THUS, ALL OF THE ABOVE explains why Canada's Covid19 Restrictions/Preventive Measures have been maintained/harshened. Simply put, the Canucks are not even near out of the woods.

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Now, in reference to Facism/Authoritarianism

I believe that, to a certain extent, our leaders have to be authoritarians, for example;

1. "We can't just let them loot businesses, and burn down our cities''

2. We can't just let them spread the virus, overwhelmed our hospitals, and burnout our health care workers''

 

You could call speed limits "authoritarianism", if you want. But they are there so you don't kill anybody. Same goes for CDC guidelines. Both are "inconvenient", but they save lives. Not following CDC guidelines is as irresponsible (maybe more) than not following the speed limit. Don't try to confuse negligence with "authoritarianism" to cover up for irresponsible behavior.

Living in society has advantages. But it also demands some basic responsibility. Anybody who refuses to deal with the responsibilities is free to go live in isolation. And I would encourage them to. Before they get somebody killed.

 

Nope its against inconvenience

 

I once had a chat with a Seaman, and we mainly spoke about Spain's low cost prostitutes/brothels......I can't remember the town, however, here's a summary of our conversation;

1. A large group of sailors were given a short leave
2. Sailors were briefed about this town ''high risk'' establishments
3. A week later, near half of them had pee pains.

Question; Is there a moral to said story?

I'll make one.........If you knowingly exposed yourself to STD, will it be safe to have unprotected sex with your partner?

In other words, how many have been hospitalized/have died of Covid19 because a bunch of idiots have ignored the risk?

 

No it isn't. I know what I fight against. Stop trying to tell me it is something else.

 

But I wouldn't because roads and highways belong to the government. They can put any rules they like on them. When they inject themselves into private business, that is authoritarian.

Government needs to stay in its lane. Guiding legal behavior isn't its lane.

The problem is that I don't accept your premise. I don't think government prevents people from getting killed. It can't. Why can't you understand that the virus is causing the problem. Behavior doesn't affect it much. I've been here throughout the whole thing and it is obvious to me. What society demands is not responsibility. It demands respect for laws.

 

We will never be out of the woods. Can you name one corona virus that has been conquered by medical science? I can't. I see no reason to believe that we will conquer this one. Authoritarianism is good for government but not very valuable for fighting a virus. Viruses can't be killed without killing their host. Only the natural immune system can do that. Imagine if we had behaved this way as a society over seasonal flu.

 

Good points.

Recently retired, however, over near 35 years of coordinating oil and gas projects, there were times when I suddenly paused and felt that the crew member's expectation of success were too high, and just before we were to open up a bottle of champagne so to speak, and then, here comes a major setback.

Thus, in reference to our vaccinations???????????

 

Vaccinations are a good thing. They teach the immune system about the virus. But vaccines haven't controlled the common cold or seasonal flu. We don't even have a vaccine for the cold, another corona virus.

 

Can you name one virus since the Spanish flu that has killed 600,000 Americans?

Covid 19 is 10 times more deadly than the worst flu season since 2010.

 

No they don't! They belong to We The People. Just like the air we breath. Claiming that they are literally "owned" by the government looks to me more as authoritarianism than the government trying to save as many lives as possible.

So you would be fine if the government enacted a law that required people to wear masks while driving...

Just to be clear: the above statement is intentionally nonsensical. It's only meant to demonstrate that your "logic" is nonsensical.

So you believe the same number of people would die from the virus if nobody followed guidelines as if people did follow them. Following your "logic" would also mean that the same number of people would die in car accidents, if there were no speed limits.

That tells us all we needed to know about the...."logic" on which you base your whole "authoritarianism" claim.

 

Neither can you.

I have come to the same conclusion. It is a very bad flu. It will probably get worse with future strains. Better start praying.

 

No one can, this is the worst pandemic since the Spanish flu.
You think people were moaning about wearing masks in 1919?

 

How many of those deaths were falsified as covid 19?

A mask can't block all particles in the air or you would not be able to breath.

 

A pandemic that kills less people every year than cancer.

A pandemic that has affected less people than H1N1.

A pandemic that has a survival rate of 99%.

A pandemic that was so bad the Democrats had to falsify covid deaths and infect thousunds in nursing homes just to make it worse.

Some pandemic this is.

 

How would Biden have done things differently? Would he have closed borders with China?

Many wore masks and still got the virus.

 

No.

 

Could you provide evidence of this claim? It’s in conflict with all current research.

 

The Golem/Cuomo bromance is over? When did Cuomo begin mishandling the pandemic? LOL
Blasts from the past:

 

You misunderstand. It isn't mask wearing that bothers people on the right. It is government authoritarianism about the masks and the loss of freedom that are the problem.

I wear a mask but I don't approve of government commanding it. You may think that is silly but those of us who value freedom over safety take it quite seriously. If you allow government to take your freedom, it will take even more. If you stand up to it, it may not. Government is essential to a life of tranquility but it is also dangerous. Fight for the tranquility and against the dangerous acts. Government will always try to do what is in its own best interests. It is our responsibility to demand that it does what is in our best interests.

 

So the right is acting like a whiny 2yr old.

 

No. Baseball, Apple, Delta, Coca Cola and others are. Based on reading this forum I would say the left is also.

 

He would have not lied. That alone would have saved thousands of lives.

We don't have a border with China, BTW.

So you're telling me that even after more than a year of this being explained to you, you still don't understand how masks work.