How the Radical LEFT's Wokeness Divides People

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  1. LangleyMan

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    I don't know any credible historian who says we should keep Jim Crow era statues in town squares.
    If you were black, what would you think of having a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest located in the middle of the town square?
    Some of the people who fight to keep the memorials are indeed racist, some not. (Some people on the other side are racist, too, but no matter.) The decision is the sole prerogative of the people in charge of the space. Me? I wouldn't live in a community that maintains a statue of a CSA traitor in a place of honor, but it's their town.
    Oh, please. That you would pass this judgment says plenty about you.
     
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    Which classroom. You know the year, about, you should know where it was taught.
    What was the curriculum taught? Is there a syllabus?
     
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    I don't take believers in THE BIG LIE seriously. Until that believer offers proof.
     
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    Don't be so hard on Democrats
     
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    Well finally. We agree that SOME of the people who fought to keep the memorials are not racist and had other reasons for advocating to keep them there, which is the point I was making in my initial post, that there WERE good and fine people on both sides of the issue who wanted their voices and opinions heard. I never said I agreed with them but I can see both sides of the argument, and yes, ultimately the people who were elected to represent the citizens who live there made the decision that best fits the community today.
     
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    It first arrived in I believe the LA school district. CA is where lefty prefers to launch their worst ideas because apparent the state is full of suckers who will vote for streets full human waste and used syringes, and stores that are closed because stuff gets stolen off the shelves before they can sell it.
     
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    You forgot to give the link to that story.
    Where's the syllabus?
    What did they teach?
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

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    I'm 70.
     
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    My bet would be Seattle. That seems to be the Ur of wokeness

    The woke are really crazy. Read about one sufferer here:

    Her racialized version of education mirrored her self-proclaimed history of joining a gang and using drugs to avoid “assimilation.” Under her leadership, the Seattle school system — located in an area with two of America’s largest high-tech companies, Amazon and Microsoft — decided to partially replace the math curriculum of every grade with “math ethnic studies.” To pass, students must explain how math is “used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color.” They must “explain how math dictates economic oppression,” and answer “Why/how does [sic] data-driven processes prevent liberation?”

    She was contending that using variables in algorithms was not for minorities, while enormous companies just miles away paid legions of computer programmers six-figure salaries to do just that. Then she was cultivating their despair over the racial income gap.


    https://www.dailywire.com/news/meet...octrination-czar-who-married-a-child-molester

    But read the whole thing. It is truly incredible.

    @dairyair should read it too. He won't change his mind, though.
     
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    Meanwhile Jaime Escalante played a guy who taught Latinos calculus.

    There are times when it appears that the thing that scarves lefty the most is African Americans becoming full participants. American society.
     
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    Thanks for the explanation. I agree with most of it, all of it in general. But I still don't see where the problem is; maybe I just missed it.
     
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    The problem (and it's only a problem for those trapped in a bizarrely narrow understanding of intelligence - or those who fail to recognise LACK of intelligence due to that narrow understanding) is that the wrong people end up valued. And of course, the immense intellectual value of the right people is ignored - or rather 'not seen'.
     
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    Which is why you wouldnt find it in schools when you and I were in school.
     
  14. Patricio Da Silva

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    Intelligence is overrated.

    Intelligence isn't the thing, wisdom is the thing.

    The former is pretty much fixed at birth, but the latter can be learned.

    So, the problem are those who refuse to learn it.
     
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    Wisdom IS intelligence.

    It's universally agreed that intelligence is 'problem solving'. Well ... problems are solved in our daily lives, constantly. How we solve them, or even IF we solve them ... is a much stronger indicator of intelligence than savantism.
     
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    Also, IQ isn't fixed at birth. IQ is a function of early engagement (with a primary carer) ... from late in utero til 3 or 4 years. It can continue to be enhanced beyond that age of course, but the speed and efficiency slows somewhat after toddlerhood - then slows down quite a bit after the teens.

    Early, focused, eye-to-eye engagement with a primary carer, is what triggers the firming of synaptic pathways. Literally, builds them up to work at the highest efficiency. Or put another way, smooths those roads to allow thoughts to travel faster.
     
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    Intelligence, or IQ, is related, but is a separate faculty.

    You pretty much stuck with your IQ, but wisdom is, indeed, a separate faculty and increases, usually, with life experience, though some do not learn it very well.

    Take for example, a hacker, with a high IQ and sophisticated knowledge of computers, is incarcerated for hacking.

    He is 'intelligent', but, obviously, not wise.

    IQ tests do not measure wisdom.

    Wisdom depends entirely upon alignment, what you consider is important, and that is a personal value judgement, there is no right and wrong, but what you do consider important, a lot of thought should be put into it, if you are going to align your life around it.

    One person is aligned with money, and to that person, your wisdom is measured in dollars.

    Another person might be aligned with experiencing life to the fullest, and not worrying about tommorrow. For example, one person, who was aligned with money, spent his entire life working for it, hoarding it, but when he reached 70, meets someone who never thought about money, made enough to get by, but had been around the world 30 times with tons of adventures, photos, stories to tell, who became the envy of the guy who worked and worked for material accomplishment, but had very view adventures, and realized he wasted his entire life.

    Yet another person is more family oriented, does not want to reach his or her golden years without a husband, children, and grandchildren. For another, a loner type, this might be entirely wrong.

    Yet another person might be on a more spiritual path, this person meditates, seeks 'enlightenment', who would view all other alignments as a fool's paradise, and the only true value is more consciousness, and eventual enlightenment achieved. For many, this alignment has no value, whatsoever, but to a few, it is everything.

    Yet another person, a spiritual person, aligns with service to others, through charity, fellowship, religious practice, and for him or her, all other alignments would be inappropriate.

    Wisdom isn't intelligence, it's something else, entirely, and cannot be measured by any test.

    Though we might agree that wisdom does have something to do with being true to one's self. Realizing who and what your are, and not trying to be something else.
     
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    fine, but IQ hits a plateau. And from there, my point is basically the same.

    You'll never see a fellow with 100 IQ go to 160. I doubt you would ever see someone with 100 IQ go to 120, assuming the tests are consistent.

    Every test I have ever taken, my IQ was 120, it never went down, or up, spanning 50 years and I'm 70 now. .

    IQ is a separate faculty from wisdom.
     
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    Would we be so lucky:
     
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    Victor Davis Hanson is a noted historian and he wrote defending Confederate statues.
     
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    Wrote what, when? Did he say people in a town should be free to decide for themselves, in which case he's not saying a particular statue should remain?

    He's objecting to cancel culture, but I doubt he would argue the public space should be static. Where should we put statues of WW2 generals like Patton, Eisenhower and Marshall if statues of Civil War figures are sacrosanct?

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    Karl Marx in Seattle
     
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    It looks like even San Francisco is unified against "woke". School board members lost their recalls 3/1.

    Listen to this *******:
    Yes. Twitter is NOT America. Twitter is the authoritarian nut burgers.
    When the left looses San Francisco?
    We support all in America who fight for Freedom and Liberty
     
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    This is a necessary corrective:
     
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    If you really believe all of that, then you clearly do not understand your political rivals. This is fine for rank-and-file republicans who just vote and only need to know the left is BAD, but actual leaders would be at a disadvantage believing in the BS here because strategies must be directed against a rival they actually know. The biggest winner in the long-run is America's rivals, though, as we are too divided to be strong.
     
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    Is the educational system completely compromised:
     
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