How to debunk this.

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  1. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    Yet there are stories of successful defensive firearm uses everyday.

    Here is nearly 500 pages of DGU's. All can be verified by clicking on the local story link.
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...tops-attempted-robbery-wtvd-raleigh-nc-080216
     
  2. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    Situational awareness and avoidance is emphasized in firearm self defense classes. Defensive firearm use is a last resort to be used only when your life is in imminent danger. Yes, your brain is your greatest asset, but sometimes evil finds us despite our best efforts.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Speaking of using your brain, you do realize that criminals don't stay in a particular zone right? It's not like a haunted house where they just kind of stick to one street.

    While I know it makes you feel better hanging up "gun free", "robbery free", "criminal free", "drug free" signs I don't think criminals typically observe them, other than to mark an easy target.

    I guess the Dallas guy cornered himself and then blew himself up eh? No need for the police and military to be armed, its a false sense of security. We should just hand them large stuffed unicorns to fight crime and wars.

    I'll live my life preparing for possibilities and using every tool available, you keep living your life hoping the criminal element stays in their designated areas.

    Hopefully that works out for you.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes, deadly force is necessary.
    No other weapons is as effective at projecting deadly force as a firearm.
    This is why the police have them, and why the constitution protects them.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Prove this to be true.
     
  6. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    Yet many may not have survived without their legally owned firearm.
     
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    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    I do not agree that a firearm(s) in the home increases risk of death as does keeping venomous snakes, those snakes are capable of escaping, capable of biting, moving on their own, a firearm cannot, it needs a hand, and if secured, a firearm cannot escape and shoot someone.

    This is a falsehood by the Anti Gun advocates, that firearms are a risk, only unsafely kept firearms pose a risk when allowed in the hands of people that ignore firearms safety rules.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so does stupid. Most of the time one leads to the other.

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    Here's one of your articles.

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160805/clinton-her-old-self-during-interview

    A gun is no substitute for a brain.

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    Situation awareness voids your entire argument.

    "If I have a gun I can go anywhere and do anything and my gun will protect me."

    WRONG! A gun is no substitute for a brain.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WRONG!

    The argument is that if you have a gun you needn't worry about any of that. You can drive up to a bank, leave your care running, go access the ATM while talking on your cell and ignoring everything around you all because you have a gun. Your gun will keep you safe.

    WRONG!!!

    A gun is no substitute for a brain.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Who, specifically, made that argument?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Refer to post 2.

    As in "I bet if this woman had a gun the results would be different."
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Post #2:

    Please explain where you find the "if you have a gun you needn't worry about any of [that]" argument you claimed.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My brain is capable of doing both, I'm not sure about yours.

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    In his defense, it's the only way his argument works.
     
  14. OrlandoChuck

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    Using situational awareness and avoidance is using your brain... we always teach to avoid places of nuisance if possible.
     
  15. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    You have a misconception. There is no argument that if you are legally carrying that you can do anything like your bolded statement above
    Having a concealed firearm is just one element of self protection. Using common sense (AKA your brain), being aware, and avoiding possible confrontations is all part of carrying effectively and responsibly.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am. Why I don't need a gun to go to my kids' school, to my parent's house or anywhere else.

    I'm not afraid and I'm not stupid enough to believe a gun is any sort of protection.
     
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    All else equal, how does having a firearm not afford you better protection than not having a firearm?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See Plaxico Burress.

    I prefer not to need protection. By using my mind rather than depending on a gun.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    No one has made that argument.

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    This does not answer my question.
    I shall ask again:
    All else equal, how does having a firearm not afford you better protection than not having a firearm?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See post 2
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Again:
    Post #2:

    Please explain where you find the "if you have a gun you needn't worry about any of [that]" argument you claimed.


    And, since you did not provide a meaningful response, I shall ask again:
    All else equal, how does having a firearm not afford you better protection than not having a firearm?
     
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    It is for when the situation is no longer something that you can actually control.

    And what is your answer for someone who cannot physically leave an area when they feel they are at risk, either in a timely manner or at all? What is your solution for those with physical disabilities that impair their mobility and render them targets to the more predatory subsets of society?

    And rudeness is no substitute for a lack of the ability to coherently express yourself.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    And your mind is useless if you find yourself confronted by multiple aggressors intent on harming you simply because you are the wrong skin color, in the wrong neighborhood, or simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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    Point out who has said otherwise.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That you cannot read or interpret your own quote is not a problem for me.

    All things are not equal in this conversation. SHE made a bad decision. A gun would not have changed her decision or its foolishness.

    The proposition "if she had a gun things would be different" is what is discussed here. I say if she'd had an extra ounce of common sense things would be different. Other discussions are irrelevant.

    Please show me in any manufacturers documentation where buying a particular weapon endows one with common sense, e.g., A BRAIN.
     
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    Try once again to read and understand post 2. The argument was made that "if only she'd had a gun things would be different." She went jogging alone in the evening in a wooded marshland.

    A gun will not save you from stupid.

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    My answer?


    If you feel you need a gun to go somewhere, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

    What part of that is hard to understand.

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    read and understand post #2
     

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