How to End Impeachment NOW

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Foolardi, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    And yet, he whipped your asses!
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Compare Beto { Fake nickname } O'Rourk's 5,ooo to Trump's
    capacity only 20,ooo PLUS 30,ooo outside waiting and cheering.
    I mean,if numbers speak volumns ... what should one conclude.
    As has been noticed ... Talk is Cheap.
    Trump may talk cheap but manages to back it up to better America.
    Democrats almost always talk cheap and cheaper and never
    back it up.Let alone for America.But their own unbridled grip on Power.
     
  3. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you should read it. No decent human being will be voting for Trump, if he's not gone before the election.
     
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  4. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess that explains his record number { 152 } confirmed Federal
    judges.Again ... take away California in 2016 and Trump won the
    popular vote by over One Million.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Levin spews theses conspiracy theories day after day.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Define a decent human being.?
    W/o relying on Fake Democrat or Mainstream media talking pts.
    The standard is ... How the Tea PArty acted and behaved and those
    like Obama's - Occupy Wall Street - then BlackLivesMatter onto Antifa.
    This isn't a no brainer.It's a know anything.
    Like that Blob Hillary mentioned.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Use of the term Conspiracy Theory is the Laziest and most
    juvenile attempt in my Lifetime to avoid actually debating an issue.
     
  8. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A decent human being doesn't betray their allies.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    The Senate can do nothing to stop the house from passing article of impeachment. Maybe they can block the trial, but not the impeachment.

    Levin has just been feeding his listeners male bovine excrement.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Does made up silliness that doesn't square with reality work for you? Talk about juvenile. How much maturity does it take to base one's ideology on things that just aren't so?

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/mark-levin/statements/by/
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't care about recalls on the west coast. I care about the Presidency of the United States and everywhere else we know what kind of despicable scoundrels are the Democrat and we see it on a daily basis in DC.
     
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    Oooooh!

    You obviously have only listened to Trumps version of events

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    Trump has had a chance and he has blown it big time!

    I don’t know how much more proof you need that he is an ignorant incompetent self centred idiot
     
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    Take away Texas and Trump lost huge....bad look fool
     
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    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    I have several times. There is nothing improper in the phone call. But, now the Biden Bribery scheme that the Democrats attempts to impeach Trump over this phone call? That's a real problem, and absent the Democrats attempts to make a crime out of the ordinary and lawful, Hunter Biden the Joe Biden bribery sandal would not be national news.

    Breaking: Impeachment witness says he tried to warn about Ukraine influence — with Biden

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    “Bandwidth” and bombshells.


    The Washington Post reports that a career State Department officer tried to warn officials in the Obama administration about the conflict of interest that Hunter Biden’s work created in Ukraine and with efforts to target corruption. When those warnings reached the Vice President’s office in early 2015, Biden’s team shut them down:

    A career State Department official overseeing Ukraine policy told congressional investigators that he had raised concerns in early 2015 about then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son serving on the board of a Ukrainian energy company but was turned away by a Biden staffer.

    George Kent, a deputy assistant secretary of state, testified Tuesday that he worried that Hunter Biden’s position at the firm Burisma Holdings would complicate efforts by U.S. diplomats to convey to Ukrainian officials the importance of avoiding conflicts of interest.

    Kent said he had concerns that Ukrainian officials would view Hunter Biden as a conduit for currying influence with his father.​

    This early 2015. Biden bragged to the Council of Foreign Relations about how he’d used the leverage of a billion dollars in US aid in December 2015 to get then-Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko to fire his general prosecutor.

    This was months after the State Department career officer warned that Biden’s involvement would create a conflict of interest. Biden’s office would have known that the issue had already come up in the US diplomatic corps, and why wouldn’t it? Biden was pressing to get a prosecutor fired over corruption while his son held a very high-profile position for one of the oligarchs suspected of corruption. What were the Ukrainians supposed to think about Biden’s pressure and his leveraging of US aid over the issue? Certainly the message wasn’t “please go after my ne’er-do-well son‘s patron.”

    Kent got pushed aside because no one cared about quid pro quos and the appearance of impropriety. Just three years earlier, Biden’s boss had gotten caught on camera and a live mic asking Dmitri Medvedev to back off on contentious issues until after his 2012 election, when he would have “more flexibility” to meet the Russian positions. Medvedev had then helpfully offered to transmit that request to Putin. In 2015, leverage and quid pro quos were all the rage.

    House Democrats stepped onto a land mine with Kent. George Kent’s little bombshell should have Nancy Pelosi reconsidering just how much she’s willing to expose the previous administration’s own peccadilloes in their fervor to get revenge over the 2016 election.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So...if Biden acts corruptly, it's OK for Trump to do the same?
     
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    No. There is nothing wrong with Quid Pro Quos in foreign policy, they are common, what is a problem is when they are directed toward a corrupt result, like Biden's apparent bribery scheme rather than American National Interest, like getting to the bottom of Biden's apparent selling of the Office, or Ukraine's involvement in the scheme by the Obama Administration to illegally spy on the Trump Campaign and Obama holdovers trying to overturn the election.

    As long as what an American president is asking for advances an American interest and does not violate either American law or any international obligation we’ve taken on, there is nothing wrong with pressuring other countries.

    A policy that is good for the United States may have the collateral effect of politically damaging a president’s political rival. A president can not allow this to prevent him from pursuing American interests just because doing so might help the president or harm the president’s opposition.

    Democrats and other Trump detractors seek to discredit the Barr investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation by claiming that Trump was only seeking Ukrainian assistance that would help him politically. To the contrary, the Barr investigation, despite media-Democrat disdain for it, is a legitimate Justice Department probe that is in America’s interests since it is exploring serious allegations of abuse of power.

    The fact that the Barr investigation could advance Trump’s political interests and harm Democrats is collateral. In fact, the investigation could also harm Trump and help Biden if it uncovers that abuse-of-power claims are exaggerated or wrong. That, too, is beside the point. In terms of U.S. interests, it was perfectly appropriate for an American president to pressure Ukraine to assist an American investigation — the fact that this involved a quid pro quo and can be seen as extortionate is unremarkable.

    The Biden/Burisma angle is relevant to Barr’s probe. Investigators are looking into whether the Obama administration influenced Ukraine to investigate a Trump-campaign official, so it is probative to show that Ukraine was so beholden to the Obama administration that Biden was able to pressure Kyiv to fire a prosecutor.

    The same people who are screaming about Biden and quid pro quo are indifferent to the undeniable fact that the Obama administration sought and obtained the assistance of foreign governments and intelligence services in the investigation of Trump’s campaign. When it comes to Trump, they would treat a comparatively minor impropriety as a hanging offense; when it comes to Obama, they want to pretend the collusion with foreign governments to interfere in the campaign didn’t happen – or excuse the whole thing.
     
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    You seem to think I am defending Joe Biden? I am not. Want to investigate Biden...fine with me. And, wake me when that "report" comes in disproving that the Russians hacked the DNC and Clinton campaigns and that it was all a Ukrainian plot to help Clinton win the Presidency.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because we know what President whispered to the Russian President :
    " After my Election I'll have more Flexibility ".
    Um Flexibility to do What Barack.
    This as Told to Russian President Medvedev and caught on mic.
    To Give Barack " more space " as to incoming President Vladimir Putin.
    More space to do what ... Barack.?
    Barack " Millhouse Benito " Obama.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Plus using a hammer to smash to bits her Private Server in her
    bathroom.The count in now 600 Violations as to the Hillary E-mail
    Scandal.Which probably will be revived given the latest long awaited
    Judicial Watch results.
     
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    It referred to cancelling the Bush plan for anti-missile missile sites in Eastern Europe. The Bush line was that the sites would protect Europe (including Russia) from Iranian intercontinental missile attacks if they developed nuclear weapons. It was still the "reset era" for Obama and Putin saw through the flimsy Bush line and opposed the sites. Obama, at that time, agreed. But, it would be difficult for him to announce his opposition to the sites just prior to his re-election. Of course, the "reset era" ended with Ukraine and I believe some of the sites went ahead (Poland?), while public opposition to the sites killed the planes in other countries.
     
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    I cherish the Electorate and the Constitution. It's the Electoral College I hold n distain.

    I/m pretty sure they'll get the message on election day.
     
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    Mmm, Missed Mulvaney's press conference I see.
     
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    Bull crap. If Obama had cheated on Michelle with porn stars, the right wing would have had an apoplectic melt down - and don't lie and say they wouldn't have. They crapped themselves with the terrorist fist bump and the day Obama forgot his flag lapel pin. The reason you don't care is because you're emotionally invested in Trump. End of story.
     

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