How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

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No. And that's irrelevant to the issue of abortion.

We all have the right to life until we have that right taken away by someone else.

Now, back to the topic.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
YES !!!!, they are BOTH in HER.... THAT is what I've been telling you!!!!

NO, the location was the WHOLE POINT.

As is purposely twisting other's words..

That seems to be in response to :

""NO, it is NOT the man's fetus !!!! WHAT did you just determine? That if it's in the woman it's HERS....it is NOT in the man, so it is not his !!""

What can't you understand about that????





Don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks if a man has sex with a woman he owns her!...that's a pretty barbaric idea...

 

Not to you apparently

 

***********Josephwalker said: ↑
It's invaluable.

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Question asked: To whom?


Why don't you answer "to whom?"

 

All human life.

 

You, for example, present no discernible value to me and I likely present no discernible value to you.

 

Your opinion is your opinion but every life has value to me. We are all gods creation and at some level we are all brothers.

 

A discernible value? We humans are all members of the same species.

 

You mean because of bad people, right?

 

Valuing life does not mean that we cannot also allow death

 

It is what each individual does with their life that produces any discernible value to others.

 

Then why did you start the conversation with me about the value of life when you said that "life only has the value others put on it?" (http://www.politicalforum.com/index...bortion-debate.538967/page-18#post-1069652703)

How is the right to life taken away by someone else?

Then you're being intellectually dishonest. What if they were NOT in the woman? Which would have more value? The kid or the coins?

The FACT that the kid is NOT only the woman's!

No of course not, why would you even ask me that? What did I say that was even REMOTELY related to men OWNING women?

 

Actually. It means exactly that because death is not our friend.

 

In some circumstances it is

 

In no way it is. God, however conquered death on the Cross. Eternal life is secured through Christ.

 

No, I’m simply aware that not all human life has value. “Bad” is subjective.

 

It doesn’t work that way. You’re either dead or alive, this story is metaphorical.

 

Sorry, I'm not going back page and pages because you have a question that really doesn't matter...

War, execution, murder...

That was in response to my : "


""""NO, the location was the WHOLE POINT."""

Ya know, I can see why you use the term "intellectually dishonest" so much and are so familiar with it. You can't seem to find it...


The location , inside the woman,, WAS the WHOLE point.

That wasn't the question or the point …..do you recognize your old friend "intellectual dishonesty " here?

No the FACT is if it's inside the woman , it's hers...

Men do NOT own women because they had sex with them....they do NOT own any part of the woman ,,they do NOT own any part of her just because they had sex with her...got it now??

Men can thump their chests and declare it's their's but they are NOT the pregnant one.

 

To allow death means you give a person choice in the matter. I'm all for physician assisted suicide in terminal patients. Unfortunately an unborn baby doesn't get a choice in the matter so the term allow is not applicable.

 

No, it is literal. You just choose to believe Satan's lie.

 

Care to provide evidence of this claim?

 

You don't NEED to go back pages and pages! I gave you the link! Here it is again: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...bortion-debate.538967/page-18#post-1069652703

That's LIFE being taken away, not the RIGHT to life being taken away!

Yes, and you've made it perfectly clear that inside a woman, a bag of coins and a fetus are no different to eachother. However, if you're going to be intellectually honest, then you need to be able to judge if you see them as the same if were are OUTSIDE the woman! Are you even remotely capable of doing that, or are you going to deflect for the millionth time?

Correct! And it is EQUALLY the man's as the father! Basic biology SAYS SO! This doesn't mean that the man can force the woman to have an abortion or give birth!

"Got it NOW?" I always had it! You're exactly correct!

Are you actually telling me that it wasn't my father that carried me around inside of him for 9 months?
Really? After all these years, I thought that it was men who gave birth, not women! How wrong I was! This sort of talk reminds me of this (from 1:25):

 

Including during pregnancy?

 

I’m not pregnant. I can’t decide for someone else to keep it or not. And there’s no way to know if a fetus is going to end up a shithead or a doctor.

 

WTF!

I did not...maybe to you but I did no such thing. The fetus is different from her liver, her heart (things I also mentioned that the intellectually honest would have mentioned , too) and a bag of coins.....but if they ALL are inside her they are hers and NO one else's and that's the POINT that intellectually honest people would see.

If she had a TV remote in her , it's hers,

if she has a tumor inside her it's hers.....

If she has a stomach inside her it's hers.....

No, I don't because that has nothing to do with the point I made.

If you were intellectually honest you would quit trying to make yourself look intelligent by parroting "intellectual honesty" especially when you seem to be missing a simple point by a mile...

I am deflecting nothing ...I answered your posts...the fact that you can't , or won't , get what I'm posting is on you, not me...

Uh, then why was the father mentioned ?? I didn't bring up the father....