How to Stop Illegal Immigration Without a Wall

What is "extreme"? It seems to have become just another meaningless word.

Is there a country without "extreme" inequality; or do you just want to hate on America?

 

So you want to keep illegals around because they work cheap, which is good for you

Whereas trump wants to reduce illegal aliens even though its bad for him personslly but good for America

 

The "We didn't invent genocide, we're just more efficient at it" defence. Nice.

 

Dont judge 16th Century people by 21st Century standards

If you grew up in that time you might have practiced genocide against brown people right along with them

 

Ahhh, the "genocide was perfectly normal" defence. That'll do it.

 

At that point in history it was normal and accepted

 

Why shouldn't we do that? You can't simply assert that as axiomatic. You need to explain why we cant judge people by 21st century standards. So why exactly can't we? So if someone murdered someone in 1113, we can't say that was wrong, because it was a different time? Or did it have to be a widespread phenomenon that we now see as being reprehensible, like genocide?

Also, I think you exaggerate how common genocide was. Mass violence was incredibly common, but racialized/ethnic massacres of entire groups of people based on those traits were less common than you think. Sure Cato said Carthage must be destroyed, and they definitely did destroy it, but they didn't follow that up with the mass genocide of all Phoenicians living in the area. The Mongols razed entire cities to the ground if they refused to submit, but they spared neighboring cities that spoke the same language and whose people were ethnically very similar/identical to the people they had just killed. I am sure you can find a few examples in history, but it wasn't something that was widely accepted as being ok, as you seem to be implying. They didn't have a Tuesday night genociding league that people joined for fun. Many people were aware that mass murder was wrong, even before Steven Spielberg were around to tell them.

 

Its ok to belabor self-evident truths if that floats your boat

But liberals and minorities use it as a club to flog whites into taking guilt trips 500 years later

 

It is a self-evident truth, so why did you deny it?

 

I did not deny it

We condemn whites who do that now

But often tomes people of color are not judged as harshly

Thats why obcession with the past and liberal white guilt works for them

Will future generations look back on society today and condemn liberals for the brutal practice of abortion?

But many otherwise decent people accept killing other bumans in the womb because thats the popular culture of our time

 

The thing we don't choose to discuss here is evident. All human beings have an inborn capacity to be incredibly evil. Liberals do not like to admit that. They like to assign that evil to a particular race or time. That way they can absolve themselves from any blame and claim the "moral high ground" so to say. In the spiritual realm we identify that as sin and all races have that cross to bare. Government is only a necessary evil that we have to hold that sin at bay. It must be limited however lest the sin takes control. I could never trust a liberal that says he doesn't have the capacity to sin. It is a dishonest.attempt at grabbing power!

 

Maybe we should also discuss the Mayans , Aztecs, Mohawks and some of their practices.

 

This is better but I don't want all the commies in the world coming here for free stuff. We should only let immigrants in who will contribute to our societie.

You should just sneak her in over the border with some coyotes and operate out of a sanctuary city. Democrats believe that if you live under the radar long enough you get a free pass for living under the radar and all the crimes you committed to live under the radar.

I would like it easier for people to come legally though.

It's anything you should go join your wife and kid. Why are you so selfish that you would literally leave them behind to live in America?

I'm all for streamlining immigration policy to make it easier and cheaper because the way it is now incentivizes the human trafficking operation the democrats love to keep running.

You should just pay some coyotes to smuggle your wife and kid here.

Trying to imply that I'm racist is dumb and makes your whole argument stupid. I guess every country that has emigration laws is racist. Try to sneak into Mexico and see what they do with you.

 

Donald Trump's favorite tactic is to claim what liberals and Democrats want...and What he wants.

You've learned well

Donald knows simple claiming a position for both is half the battle.

Donald knows all he has to claim a victory and his fans believe him.

Donald Trump knows a wall will never end illegal immigration. Donald knows he can claim all sorts of outcomes on immigration that will never be proven one way or the other.

Republicans have has as many Presidents and Congresses to deal with immigration with no discernable difference.

.....this is where you blame Republicans for being complacent---if that is true... that should tell you something---If Republicans for 40 years been unwilling to fully fund fighting illegal immigration----Why do Trump supporters believe that Republicans are going to fully fund Donald Trump lame-brained immigration ideas?

 

You are babbling bullshit

Trump is working to end the illegal alian invasion

And libs are fighting to keep the border open

 

I would make the fence green to appease the climate change bigots by installing solar panels to electrify the fence.

 

The "resistance" (liberals and progressive Democrats) are now standing firm with the claim that a wall (fence, barrier) will not work.

If that was true that a wall would not work, every liberal and progressive would be screaming for a wall to be built.

$5 billion for a wall out of $3.8 trillion dollars. It's nothing more than crumbs.

The left politicizes everything from the weather, black scary looking guns, bathrooms, lightbulbs, and now a freaking wall.

If President Trump were have called for dismantling the current barriers along the border the Democrats would have already appropriated $500 billion dollars for a wall on the border.

 

No actually Trump want's to build his stupid wall. There are much more intelligent solutions to the problem of illegal immigrants most of who don't even cross the border illegally.

 

Suddenly libs who never thought or cared about ending the southern invasion from mexico are full of bright ideas

You should have said something while obama was president

Now its too little too late

 

Why stop there? What about all those people who are born who do not contribute to your societie(sic)? Maybe we should institute a license to determine whether you can have a kid. Let me guess — you'll exclude most blacks because African Americans are disproportionately incarcerated, right?

Why do you think I should break the law? I'm trying to do it the right way. Do you have something against that?

Talk is cheap. All the rhetoric is about building walls and keeping people out.

I lived in Peru for 13 years, thank you very much. I even got Peruvian citizenship while I was there. However, I got a job in the US and want my family to be here with me. In order to bring them here, I must prove that I can support them. That requires me to work here and get income that shows on a 1099 or W2. So I work two jobs — from 6 AM to 11 PM 6 days a week so that I can be with my family. Yet, somehow to you that is "selfish." I would tell you what I think of your opinion, but I'm not sure what this forum's policy is on profanity.

Again — why do you think I should do so? Wouldn't it make a LOT more sense to just have my wife present at the border and apply for asylum? Assuming that she would be in the "catch and release" pool, I would be able to live with my wife while we waited the 7 months for her asylum hearing. By that time, her real paperwork would be dumb.

Been there — done that. I had to go see the immigration officer before he would let me fly out of Mexico and into Peru. I showed him my plane ticket from Tijuana to Mexico City, documenting when I had arrived. He signed a piece of paper for me exonerating me from sneaking across the border without checking in, and I flew on to Peru without incident.

 

Welfare bums getting welfare?

There are single women on welfare with a dozen children

All born out of wedlock

Are you indifferent to that?

We want to put an end to catch and telease

Ideally your wife would be denied assylum and never set foot on US soil without a proper visa issued in peru

 

As I said, the complaint has always been that illegals come here and get on welfare because they don't work while simultaneously stealing your jobs.

No one has yet explained to my satisfaction how they do both. At any rate, the solution is simple: End welfare. While we're at it, we could end corporate welfare. We could also stop sending money to foreign countries. Maybe I'm out of touch with neo-con philosophy, but I always figured that American taxpayer dollars should be spent on American taxpayers.

Or does that make me anti-Semitic? I suppose we'll get a big howl of indignation of how I want to cut Israel off from welfare and how evil I am.

Yet my logic is pretty simple: Israelis are not American taxpayers. Why should we subsidize them?

Yes, I am indifferent to who gets born in or out of wedlock. I only care about whether my kids were born in or out of wedlock.

No, ideally the fact that I have been married to my wife for almost 14 years, longer than many American marriages last, would permit me to have her join me in the land I was born in along with my kids, who are American citizens from the time of their birth.

You seem to be so concerned about kids born out of wedlock — presumably because the kids are raised without a father and mother in the home. Presumably you think that kids should be raised by a father and a mother not by a village, as Hillary Clinton preaches.

So why are you so opposed to me raising my kids with my wife?

 

Its simple

They have a baby that is a US citizen and start collecting the free stuff

 

A woman who was never married yet has 12 children is a blight on society

And her children are likely to be blights also

As far as your wife getting into America apply for a vise

Dont abuse the system through the refugee scam

 

Simple. Remove birthright citizenship. No jobs, education, medical care, or social services for anyone who can't prove they are a legally allowed to be here. You just removed the main reasons people sneak in and you don't punish anyone except the illegals. Simple, except for birthright citizenship, since Liberals don't want that prize golden goose to be taken away from their future voting block. Amazing how they want us to be like other countries yet refuse to actually make us like those countries who DO NOT ALLOW any mouth breather to pop a baby out for instant citizenship.