How Trump Stole 2020

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    The only thing you know is bullshit.
    The TRUTH is here:


    Now then, when dems vote, we whip repub butt when it comes to sheer numbers

    3 million more dems voted for Hillary than Trump but Trump won becuase of a fluke in the EC system.

    Dems got 17.5 million more votes than repubs for senate in 2018, but lost 2 seats because of rural bias of 2 senators per state.
    Dems got over 9 million more votes than repubs for house in 2018 won 41 seats, but could have won 60 had the repubs not gerrymandered.

    No matter how you slice it, more people are voting for democrats than republican, so we don't need "illegals", moreover , illegals are NOt going to put their names on anything because it can lead faster to their deportations, so that's all a load of crock.

    Repubs have proved time an time again they don't want blacks voting.

    https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/11/8/13564406/voting-lines-race-2016
     
  2. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WRONG

    Study some :flagus: History, give up the HERstory take ;)
    Big States and Little States
    Populous States and Less Populous States.



    To paraphrase GoT
    You Know Nothing @Patricio Da Silva
    Besides Popular Democracy, there is also, Geographic Democracy.
    A compromise required to create :flagus: as well as the 3/5ths clause ;)
    And representing today, that in '16 still of benefit to the entire nation.
    Hillary lacked a breadth of the nation's voters.



    Moi :oldman:





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    https://youtu.be/BO5uTxeY7xc
     
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    Land doesn't vote, people do. People in rural areas are no better that people in urban areas, and on the status quo, things are going to change.
     
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    Per previous upload

    YOU KNOW NOTHING
    @Patricio Da Silva
    Please re read And Reply, point by point.
    to above reply or not.

     
  6. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Why in the world would I listen to ANY of those? Vox? Mother Jones? Maddow? Trever Noah? They're all opinion commentators. 4 of which are so biased as to spout anything that may or may not be true but leans their way and hurts those that they are against so will report it regardless of any consequences. They're no better than conspiracy theorists that used to be laughed at. If you want me to listen then give me FACTS. NOT opinions. Show me the evidence that Trump blessed what happened with Crosscheck and that he gave Kobach that job because he rigged the 2016 election with Crosscheck and that he's doing the same thing with 2020. That is what has been alleged in this thread. That is what I want facts on. Not opinions.
     
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    And mine was an opinion, the first video makes it more clear that that is a reasonable conclusion.
    In fact, whether or not Trump gave Kobach a blessing, is really not a salient point in this thread, yet you seem to think it is and worthy of getting bogged down on it. Let's just agree to disagree on that point.

    This idea that Trump is unaware of what Kobach was doing regarding interstate crosscheck, after rewarding him with leadership of a commission,
    defies rational thought, in my view. I mean, there are many small players on the political landscape Trump whom doesn't even know or heard of, but he sure as hell has heard of Kris Kobach, so one wonders why? He's known as the 'voter suppression king' ( translated = helping GOP and Trump ) Anyway, But, since it really bothers you, I will change the 'alleged' part, so wherever you see "Trump" replace it with "GOP". I just assumed the GOP and Trump were in cahoots, given that Trump is the leader of the GOP, ya think?

    FYI, the 'rigged' video is a segment of an hour long film on Amazon, free to prime users, which gives an hours worth of hard, documented, evidence. So, if it's evidence you want on Republican voter suppression, voter caging, voter purging, gerrymandering, it's chock full of it, way too numerous to put here.
     
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    Let me see if I can sum this up. The Constitution is a fluke. You assume that all Democrats will vote only for Democrats, and that will be much larger voting block then the GOP, Independent, Libertarian Party, etc. The only thing that you have to back that up is nothing but liberal talking points.
     
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    Some good food for thought, thank you. Do the "provisional ballots" not take care of the purge effects? I've seen videos of people that were purged for reasons with counter columns claiming that the person did ultimately vote, which, from your video, is credible.
    And the EC is not a "fluke". And if we got rid of it? People like Donald Trump would change their campaign strategy and maybe win anyway. Could be different if we had that other type of election (Ranked voting?) where you vote not only for who you would want to win, but who you would want 2nd if you don't get your 1st, etc.
    Do illegal aliens stand in for the dead or missing? You dismiss the idea but it's long been thought to be a thing. Example: https://www.worldtribune.com/how-landslide-lyndon-stole-the-senate-race-in-1948/
     
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    Yeah, Trump heard that Kobach wanted to make sure our elections are for citizens and not illegals and dead people. Kobach was in the news quite a bit, so why wouldn't he have heard of him? Doesn't that sound more plausible than a conspiracy theory with people sitting in dark rooms twisting the ends of their handlebar mustaches and going mwaahahahahaa!? (note: that last part is just an old saying...I didn't mean it literally) (Also note that this applies to the GOP as much as it does Trump, or even Democrats for that matter.)

    Btw, as for change wherever I see "Trump" to "GOP" changes nothing. Proof is still needed for the claim that the 2020 election was rigged. And I don't have Amazon Prime.
     
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  11. Patricio Da Silva

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    That's funny, the commission had to be disbanded. Reason? Couldn't find any fraud.
    So, like I said, replace "Trump" with "GOP". THis idea that Kobach got 29 red states to partner with him on Interstate Crosscheck and the GOP doesn't know anything about it? Give me a break.
     
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    We've been through this. The commission was supposed to find illegal aliens voting. Hard to do that when the states with the most illegals refused to help don't you think?

    Addressed in an edit to the post you just responded to before you made this post, probably while you were making this post.
     
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    The Democrats lost in 2016 because they ran a bum candidate who was lazy and had one of the most inept campaign strategies this side of G.H.W. Bush back in 1992. I find it fascinating that the democrats will never admit this. Instead, they blame their loss on Russia and vanishing voters. 2016 was an election between the two most disliked and unwanted to become the next president by a majority of Americans in our history. Another fact the Democrats will never admit.

    Fact is we have who we have as president due to the decisions, the actions and choices made by both major parties back in 2016. It's was like both major parties did an expansive research to find the most disliked and most unwanted candidates to pit against each other.
     
  14. Patricio Da Silva

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    Illegals work farms all over the US, many red states, to the tune of hundreds of thousands, and they didn't find one illegal.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/interactives/u-s-unauthorized-immigrants-by-state/ scroll down for the map.

    Or, maybe a couple. Whatever it was, it was negligible.

    Now why would all those red states 'refuse to help' Kobach? (as I understand it, Many red states refused to help Kobach )

    The reason is that they refused to give Kobach the private, sensitive, information ( soc sec numbers, etc ) that he requested.

    Apparently they don't trust him.

    But, if they did cooperate with Kobach, no matter, no fraud found, thus disbanded.
     
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    Not the entire point of the OP. Hillary's baggage, campaign strategy, russian meddling, and the purges, helped Trump.
     
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    What, another "What Happened" book?

    Spare me.
     
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    Spare you anything that contradicts your view, sure, gawd forbid you find out something that shatters it,
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, spare me another "What Happened" book - they' dime a dozen.
     
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    who said anything about a book? I'm not pushing the book.
    Just go to the link and read the page.

    BTW, the book he is promoting, isn't a 'what happened' book.
    It's making a prediction, that's all, but you are not being asked to buy it, there's plenty of info at the link.
     
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    The shift is more likely due to two years of the left wing media telling voters, 24/7, that Trump is a traitor who conspired with Russia to subvert the election. But by the time the Mueller report came out showing otherwise, the midterms had already concluded and Democrats gains in Congress were ill gotten. There's your fraud and subversion.
     
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    Not really, Fox, Hannity, Limbaugh, Trump, etc., 24/7 said it was a hoax.

    The real reason his base is shrinking is because of his continuing to say
    asinine and stupid wild ass incoherent rants, like this one, and this is just scratching the surface,
    this prez has said more stupid stuff than any president in history:

    trump-blather.jpg
     
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    Here is why it failed.

    LINK: 15 states are refusing to hand over voter data to Trump's panned election commission - here's how every state as responded

    You'll note that even when states complied it was always with in their state laws. Which was essentially that they would provide public information, but not information such as SSN's, drivers licenses etc etc. And that type of thing is exactly what's needed to find if someone has either voted more than once or if someone is using a stolen SSN. Something that illegals often use. I have long advocated that Congress allow the IRS to report multiple uses of SSN's around tax time to LEO's for investigation because when that happens it is either due to fraud or illegal immigrants using them. But the IRS is barred from doing so.

    So no, it has nothing to do with not trusting him, although I'm sure that some didn't, especially those with Democrat leanings. It's because State Laws would not allow private information such as SSN's to be given out.
     
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    Actually I doubt that the purges helped anyone. Every state allows a person to come in and register and vote on the same day as election day.
     
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    Or what -you're- talking about.
     
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    Translation: You cannot address the challenge put to you. As usual.
    You have no idea why the court prevented the group you mention from counting the ballots in question, you just know it did, and you take exception to it, for no demonstrable reason.
     

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