How Universal Basic Income Will Save Us From the Robot Uprising

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Well, now you know that you are … capitalism is evil.

    Yes it does. Without the state how will the land (the primary “means of production”) be privately owned?

    A right of property in movable things is admitted before the establishment of government. A separate property in lands not till after that establishment.... He who plants a field keeps possession of it till he has gathered the produce, after which one has as good a right as another to occupy it. Government must be established and laws provided, before lands can be separately appropriated and their owner protected in his possession. Till then the property is in the body of the nation. --Thomas Jefferson

    I think we (you, I, and “modern Georgist proponents”) are in general agreement over the evils of rent-seeking. The part you don't seem to grasp is that modern day capitalism enables that parasitic rent-seeking … capitalism is the seed from which socialism sprouts.
     
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    You might as well be speaking to a brick wall. I have all but given up … certain types of logic are not available to the majority of people. It is like a puzzle which some people can solve almost instantly, but others cannot solve in an entire lifetime.
     
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    com·mu·nism
    ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
    noun

    a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.


    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=communism+definition


    To call my definition of communism false is to call the very definition of communism false. Have you ever read Marx before?
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    and isnt that what your advocating for?

    You want the government to take peoples money and then hand it out to everyone else in the form of Universal Basic Income.

    Sounds like someone let the commies outta the cage.
     
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    no, there is no elimination of private property, nor is everyone's wealth controlled (a CEO still makes his millions), but rather a set minimum standard income is set


    again, it is an idea backed by Martin Luther King Jr, four nobel prize winning economists, and an American founding father. To the uneducated it may sound like communism, but by the definition of what communism is, it is not communism
     
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    And where does all this money come from?

    Is the fed supposed to print it?
     
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    It comes from the same place as our current welfare system, only this particular form of welfare doesn't require additional government employees/government agencies. It is also a very pro-free market form of welfare, hence why men like Milton Friedman supported the idea
     
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    Capitalism is the voluntary exchange of goods and services between individuals. No state required.

    As for your question, "Without the state how will the land (the primary “means of production”) be privately owned?" - There are various ways. The first that comes to mind is mutual agreement. Another is payment for exclusive use.

    But thank you for the blanket, "capitalism is evil," comment. That solidified my original position. Modern Georgist proponents are their own worst enemy. The only people who will go along with their bastardized ideas are other communists.
     

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