How Would You Make A Better USA

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by upside-down cake, Aug 17, 2013.

  1. Kranes56

    Kranes56 Banned

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    Of course they take pride in their work. You go in, and you work hard because you know the employer is looking after you. It's the same thing that happened with Ford employees when Henry Ford was still around. Ford employees felt loyalty to him, because he made them feel special and happy with their jobs. It was a source of price. The effect? The prices of cars goes down, and everyone in the 20's tries to get a car.
     
  2. upside-down cake

    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    Gotcha.

    Ah, much clearer, though I still find a little fault with the whole differential pricing in the first place. With insurance, I feel that the companies try to make the customer pay for the risks of the business. For instance, why do car insurance comps pay more for men than women? If it is because of the higher rate of accidents, do all men have accidents? Are all the accidents of the same degree or magnitude? How can you make all men pay for the accidents- especially when they will simply raise the insurance on those who actually get into accidents anyway?

    In these situations I’ve become a little slow to supply input because I really don’t understand the process of Health Care, or all the factors involved. The things we will debate about is from the information provided to us or available to us, and I believe there are other policies or processes involved in the whole Health Care System that I am not aware of or that I do not understand correctly.

    At the surface, I understand and agree with you point except to say that it might be that the biggest problem in Health Care might not be something as simple as people not looking at the bill- which would be a pure customer-related problem. The problem I think we are talking about is the money the government is spending on the Health Care System vs the money people are spending on the Health Care System. What these various Health Care entities do with that money is the mystery for me.

    That’s true.

    $18 a day is good money for mining, assuming that was the lowest wage offered. I know those types of jobs usually have a wage range. But opening at 18, lol. Would probably seem like a dream to some these days. But mining…they SHOULD get paid that much. Not an easy job, as I understand it.

    Do Democrats really believe we don’t have troops in Iraq? That can’t be right. I hope not, at least. So much for the age of information.

    I think one of the illusions of American Diplomacy is that the Europeans are our “allies”, in the sense of friends. I don’t think so. Not even in the beginning. I think they have common interests from time to time, but Europe has been trying to wiggle out from American hegemony- probably ever since it started. The Euro was supposed to be an initiative towards greater economic independence and, among other things, a way to escape the dependence on the dollar. The US doesn’t really do that well in the UN also, when votes are tallied, but we are among the “elite” members so we can push our resolve through, or ignore it. (humorously, the UN functions like a royal court) I believe the US not only has to keep watch over the “targets”, but the “allies” as well because (opinion alert) I doubt the real problem is nukes or madmen regimes or some ubiquitous bull like that, it is maintaining control over the world economy.

    Yeah….except that it’s still forcing. Maybe you can’t force people’s individual views, but you have to force them to accept other people’s views- which are called policy (elected views). If 49% of America believe things should be done one way, and 51% of America believe things should be done another way, and the majority vote decides how things should be done, whatever it’s called, 51% of the country decide how the entire country operates. (might not be that clean, but on a general level)


    I can’t disagree with that logic 

    Except the very last statement, and only conditionally. I believe more skilled workers provides a relief up to a point. It relives an over-burdened system. But what happens when you have more…and more. At some point, the value of the labor becomes diluted because the skill is so easily accessible. Like techs in India and China- you don’t have to purchase the expensive ones because you’ve got cheaper ones. The presence of the cheaper ones forces the expensive ones to lower their demands leading to a wage depression.

    Thanks for that insight into the medical field, though Interesting. I agree with you to the extent I already explained though. But that was probably obvious anyway. There has to be a reasonable balance in things.

    The funny thing I come across is the government intervention is seen as evil, while economic anarchy is seen as good. I believe both government and the economy are two entities that should be watched because they are both entities of great power and influence on us. Besides, while you see it as the economy vs the government, I’ve always seen the government as very supportive and reactive to the needs of economy. At times, when it is politically expedient, they will rap them on the wrist, and there are still pieces of limiting legislation from the former days of economic anarchy in America that are still in place that economy tries to lobby through, but, overall, I believe the government and the economy are close friends.

    Labor is one of the trades between nations, these days. America was built on the positive side of that deal while other nations were hurt. Now we are sliding to the negative side of that deal. We are being pushed their by businesses that no longer have any real stake in the condition of the US, on that degree. Countries can be complete messes, but still prove lucrative. In some ways, I think you argue from within the sentiments of capitalism, or economics. You argue the direct technicalities, but I think the actual human toll is a glaring caveat to consider.

    This last part was new information to me. Depressing, also. I have a feeling the intensity of labor will increase, but the value will decrease. Hopefully, the availability will not decrease also. We’ll see.
     
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    $18 an hour for coal mining is low paying considering that this occupation comes with Black Lung disease if they stay in that business for a long period of time.
     
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    What objection can there be to promoting the general welfare by solving simple poverty in our republic, with existing legal and physical infrastructure in our republic.

    We could be lowering our Tax burden by improving the efficiency of our economy while increasing the circulation of money in our Institution of money based markets and engendering a positive multiplier effect that may, act in a manner analogous to a rising tide lifting all boats.
     
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    Be careful what you wish for. The next step is people only over a certain salary will be able to vote, then only property owners, then the slippery slide down hill to only males.
     

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