Hows your global warming?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by modernpaladin, Apr 18, 2018.

  1. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You could certainly say it, but it makes no sense. Political correctness doesn't hold here. All beliefs are not equally valid. Yours are wrong here, because the hard data says so.

    You've posted the end data for the LIA as 1865, which is when about when temperatures reached pre-LIA levels again. That means the rebound from the LIA was over in 1865, and none of the post-1865 warming can be explained by your rebound theory.

    Obviously not. What a strange and bizarre thing for you to say. After all, nothing I've said or implied says anything remotely like that, and I've said the exact opposite in the past.

    You're clearly dangerous because you assign fake positions to your opponents in order to demonize them, and you feel no guilt about doing so. What other ThoughhCrimesAgainstTheParty am I guilty of?

    Instead of addressing your strawmen, I'll instead do what you hate most, which to point out again how awful your cult pseudoscience is, and how the hard data flatly contradicts it.

    The "natural cycle" should currently be slow cooling. That's what the trend has been for the past 6,000 years, and what it should have been for at least the next 20,000 years. That's where the sum total of natural factors is trying to push climate. If we're seeing fast warming instead, then that warming is clearly not due to a natural cycle.

    "Natural cycles" theories have no explanation for the directly observed stratospheric cooling, the increase in backradiation, and the decrease in outgoing longwave radiation in the greenhouse gas absorption bands. Therefore, according to the observed data, those natural cycles theories are wrong.

    Science is not your "Well, you can't disprove with 100.000000% certainty that a miracle didn't happen, so you have to assume it did!" theory. Science is "What is the theory that explains the observed data the best?". Our theory explains all of the observed data. Your theory is contradicted by the observed data. Hence, our theory is the scientifically accepted theory. If you want to change that, you have to come up with a theory that explain the observed data even better. Picking nits on the current theory helps you not a bit.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    This seems problematic at best for you. You ascribe an expectation to a process you can't describe with certainty or a process you can demonstrate, and yet, we're supposed to believe that you have an authority here to declare that you have this kernel of predictive knowledge, which, clearly, you do not. Which actually is the problem. Having created an artificially wrong condition, you ascribe a predictive component that cannot be met, hence your certainty of the outcome you predict. Sweet, huh? It's like claiming that because the trajectory of the bond market is currently negative (meaning rates are going up) it will always do this, so when it doesn't, you've proven that equities are a better investment. Its is laughable that you declare this certainty. Clearly, you cannot demonstrate that your expectation is accurate, depending on which proxy record you reference, even they don't demonstrate the trend you assert.

    But hey, fabricate what you will to make yourself feel better. The unfortunate truth is that your trend, and timelines are patently wrong.
     
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    Oddly...all the "deep staters" being weeded out have had their jobs for 15 to 30 years

    Obama was President for what?

    8?
     
  4. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have more faith in NASA than I do in people who use emotional rhetoric to push their political agenda.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ok, you're clearly motivated by partisan politics and not science.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh yeah, you're clearly driven by a political agenda and not respect for science.
     
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  7. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed. To be fair, part of the problem is the LWers who politicized science. This does not detract from the fact on how some RWers reacted by equally politicizing science to the point they are science deniers.
     
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    Thats the power of the Derp State

    They outlast any elected politician

    Obama didnt fight the Deep State

    he embraced and traded saliva with it
     
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    I respect science

    But not the environmentalist quacks practicing science today
     
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    The environmentalists are the ones playing on public fear and emoction not people like me
     
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    I dont claim to be a scientist

    But I do know liberals and radical environmentalists are the ones pushing for a hasty political reaction to the mass hysteria they themselves have caused
     
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    Wait....THOSE things have DESTROYED your way of life? Really? :roflol:
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Says the guy who denies NASA.
     
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    Whatever, we're near the OH-MI line and we need a little more global warning around here so I can go walleye fishing and not freeze my balls off.
     
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    Just wait a few decades. For now, you can finally take a cruise through the Northwest Passage.

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/event-tracker/northwest-passage-clear-ice-again-2016
    For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.

    Both the northern and southern routes of the Northwest Passage have been open during occasional years in the past. According to records from Environment Canada, the southern route was "open" (no more than 60% ice covered) occasionally as far back as the 1970s, and the northern route was open in the summer of 1998—a record-warm year at that time. But since roughly 2006, the southern route has been navigable in the summer almost yearly. The northern route was open in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 (which was a record-low ice year), 2012, 2015, and now, in 2016 as well.

    In fact, the route was “safe” enough for a luxury cruise ship called the Crystal Serenity to leave harbor in Alaska on a journey through the southern route of the Northwest Passage, called the Amundsen route, bound for New York. According to the New York Times, only 50 passenger ships have completed a trek through the Northwest Passage and only 240 complete trips by any ship have been made since Roald Amundsen’s first trip through the passage 110 years ago. If it finishes its trek, the Crystal Serenity would be the largest ship to ever do so. A spot on the ship did not come cheap, though, with some tourists paying more than $100,000 for a cabin on the boat, in addition to the requirement that passengers carry $50,000 in evacuation insurance in case of an emergency.

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    I have bern rspondong to you

    Now tell me how global warming has destroyed your life
     
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    Yes I know you have....hence my reply to you.

    I asked you how your way of life has been destroyed to which you replied...
    "Electric prices have risen thanks to obamas war on coal

    And strawberries will be more expensive in the future because of the ban on methyl btomide
    "

    To which I replied...
    "Wait....THOSE things have DESTROYED your way of life? Really? :roflol:"

    Global warming hasn't destroyed my life. Never claimed it has. Seems an odd question to ask me...since, again, I never claimed it has.
     
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    no ****!!!!
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so your argument is a political one, not a scientific one.

    sorry bro, this discussion is about science, maybe u should step aside.,
     
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    NASAs mission under obama was to make musims feel good about themselves and save the planet from global warming

    No wonder we have to pay the russians to launch our people into space
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    jesus, your posts drip bigotry
     
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    The science is inproven

    But politicans still want to pass new laws anyway

    So my rebuttal to liberal politics is conservative politics
     
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    What new laws are you referring to?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the data is there.

    the Earth is warming at a much faster rate than previous centuries.

    the only logical explenation is GHG emissions.
     
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    Its a fact

    Obama was the bigot who politicized NASA according to race and religion
     

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