Huge Russian military exercise in September

Let them return the territory they took from Georgia and the Ukraine.

 

You go first.
Return the territory you took from Japan and Germany and Afghanistan.

PS. They already returned the territory they took from Georgia.
They only stayed a few days.

They returned what they took from Germany and Afghanistan, why haven't you?

 

We do big military drills all of the time.

 

What do you have to say about Russia occupying parts of Georgia and the Ukraine? What's the excuse for that?

 

No brag, just fact.

What equalizes Russia with the U.S. are the nukes they possess, not their conventional forces.

In modern conventional warfare, he who controls the air controls the outcome of the war, and I am confident that the U.S. and her allies could achieve air supremacy over the battlefield. Once that happened, destroying Russia's ground forces would be like shooting ducks in a barrel. We would surely suffer losses, but Russia could not win in the long run. Their only real chance would be on a battlefield close to or in Russia. But Russia is not much of an expeditionary power. If you put an ocean between Russia and their objective of military conquest, they could not sustain that force against the expeditionary power of the U.S.

Sorry if that sounds arrogant, but I think it's the truth, Cerberus.

Seth

 

Depends where you intend to give battle.
In the USA you will win. In Europe you will get creamed.

In Europe, only your nukes give you parity.

America and her allies couldn't even get air supremacy over Serbia.
Good luck with Russia mate. ROFLLMAO.

 

The United States returned Okinawa, ended the occupation of Germany, and is in Afghanistan with the permission of the government.

No, they're still occupying 20% of the country.

See above. Why don't you ask Hungarians, Bulgarians, Poles, Czechs, Latvians, Finns, Ukrainians, etc. what they think of the Russians?

 

Nope. The US is still in Okinawa.
Still in Germany.

Still has sovereign territory in those places.

Russian peacekeepers are occupying Abhkazia and Ossetia's borders.
Just as they have been since the creation of the countries.
By invitation of those two country's.
It seems they had been having some trouble with Georgia invading them. Ethnic cleansing. You know?

What they took from Georgia they gave back straight after they disarmed the Georgian military. Over and done with in a week.
Georgian invaders expelled and disarmed. Job done.

Likewise they occupy Crimea with permission of the government.
The governments of Eastern Ukraine has asked them to deploy in support of them too.

Have you held any referendums in Japan, Afghanistan and Germany to see if you are wanted there or not?
No.

Russia is in Syria with permission of the government.
America isn't.

Have you got Cuba's permission to be there too?
Nope.

Did Panama invite you to invade?
Nope.

 

Why don't we ask the Iraqi's the Vietnamese, the Syrians and Libyans, The Columbians, the Venzuelans, the Cubans, the North Koreans, the Somali's, the Iranians and the Lebanese and I CBA to list all the rest....what they think of the Americans?

You think your **** doesn't stink.

 

Well, then, you wouldn't care for Russia.

 

They have military bases at the request of the fully sovereign Germans and Japanese.

Taken from the sovereign state of Georgia.

The Big Lie as evidenced by very few countries recognizing the Russian aggression.

Another Big Lie. The is no government of Easter Ukraine to give permission.

They're sovereign countries, so you'll have to ask them.

 

No, but the Taiwanese should be developing WMD if they want to remain free.

 

Nice try, but you can't bait me with this stuff. We were talking about Russia.

I'm also a Canadian. You want to tell me they're disliked?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/overall-full-list​

Canada is #2, the U.S. is #8 ... Russia is in the top 25.

 

The rallying cry was "No taxation without representation". Therefore it was not a democracy but a colony and, like everyone else, the people wanted a fair democracy. No one thought that England was evil, btw, and there were many 'loyalists'..

 

The reasons were quite different.

 

From your perspective maybe.
Not from mine.

 

We are talking about Russia vs America.
Comparing like with like and wondering why you accept the double standard.
If it is wrong for Russia it is equally wrong for America.

It's either wrong or it isn't.
I put it to you, that it isn't.

And just as I don't beat on America for doing this, I don't beat on Russia or my own country for doing this either.

You do, and that is why I ignore it when you do.

 

No, we weren't talking about Russia v. USA because I was talking only about Russia.

 

And I gave you a benchmark to compare the Russian actions you were discussing to.
America.

As we can see, what you are taking issue with Russia for is nothing worse or different than your own country does.
Not that you would think this from the way you talk about Russia.

I don't know if you are the kind of guy who condemns American foreign policy too.
Maybe you are. Plenty of people do.
I'm not.

Which is why I am not willing to condemn Russia in the same way you are.

 

Maybe not intentionally, but with all the machismo and infighting within governments these things can accidentally take on a life of their own, and your establishment wouldn't know how to stop it snowballing out of control. And China is not the one making the threats, it's you.

It was sorting out satellites which had become corrupt, anarchic, subversive, and infiltrated by jihadists and crime lords, and sorting out a couple of satellites is a bit different to rampaging all over the planet to force 'democracy' onto other countries (to repeat myself) whether they want it or not - now that's 'imperialism'??

Yeah, only because you keep obsessing about the effing USSR? For christ sake why can't you forget the USSR and recognise it no longer exists? You seem to persist in ignoring that global Islam is our main threat, and if you had the humility to ask, instead of demonizing Pootn's Russia day after day, week in and week out, he could help us to take it on? And he'd know how to do it!

Well I don't have the same admiration for democracy as you obviously do; the only positive thing I have to say about it has already been said , , , that democracy is the least worst system of rule. Try stepping outside the official narratives and see what happens - and if you don't believe me, ask Assange and Snowden.

I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the block on this discussion board, but I'm certainly not naive.

Their culture is different, as you say, but their regional mind-set is different as well. When the west went after Saddam I thought (and probably you did too?) that Iraqis would be filling their streets showing their gratitude, but it didn't happen,did it? And look at Iraq today? I'll bet that if they were asked, most Iraqis would say it was better under Saddam. Maybe 'most muslims do want democracy and personal freedoms' (I'm quoting your link) but because of the various sectarians' never-ending hatreds they'll never get it, so why not just accept that we can't force it upon them - even if they wanted us to - without installing a permanent presence in the country - which is what we're trying to do in Afghanistan and failing disastrously. Nearly 2 decades of tremendous cost, and all those body bags and broken bodies, and it's worse than ever - deny that??

Did you? I can't remember what is was now.

 

Read mine to Fred Dobbs. In short - it's none of our business.

 

What you're overlooking, Seth, is that it won't only be Russia, it'll be China too, with a contribution from North Korea. Don't risk it because you'd lose. And lose big-time; like the old axiom which goes 'The bigger they are, the harder they fall.', and I wouldn't want that to happen because I have a lot of time for Americans. The thing is that I have a lot of time for Russians too.

 

I don't waste my time replying to superficial posts.

 

What was the excuse of the USA to invade Grenada, interfer into many Central American countries by backing dictators or the rebells and to attack the Ira in 2003?

 

And you think the US is better? Seriously?

If you drop your patriotic US glasses and do not justify everything and everything as justified and OK, what the US has done since 1945 ... and instead objectively go to the point, then evaluate this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

The list is much longer than that of the USSR and Russia together ... and many of the missions are also crimes like Iraq 2003 as an example!