"I’m sorry I was born white and privileged. It disgusts me. And I feel so much shame,"

A Trumpite Faction, huh? I've never heard Trump or any of his supporters make that claim, despite what you may have heard, though it is common for Presidential candidates to criticize their opponent's economic policies. That is not exclusive to 'Trumpites'.

Besides Pearl Harbor did they also blame Roosevelt for starting WWII with Germany?

 

not quite, Hong Kong retains some of its democratic institutions, including its judicial system and independence, for 50 years after the handover, they are only about half way.

 

It was you who made that statement.

Hard to believe then that you've lost every world war you've been involved in, at least once the Americans entered.

 

We fought UK, Russia, USA, France combined. Killed 60 Million enemies and brought entire continents down. Maybe we should concentrate more on who we chose as allies? We usually lost when we got exhausted after killing more enemies than our country had people.

 

Those were all your decisions.

All those people killed, which you seem to define as a victory of some sort, and you ended up behind barbed wire and controlled by the Communists for almost half a century until finally the US President, to crowds of cheering Germans, told Gorbachev to "Tear down that wall'. Your foreign policy still sucks and the Italians would never be your ally again. Who would possibly want to be a serious German ally in any confrontation? The idea is ridiculous.

 

Then why does trump want that we build up a powerful military?

We are usually very effective in what we do.

It was German troops that destroyed the ottomans. It were German troops that defeated Napoleon nd it were german troops that crushed the roman empire.

You want a fine example? You know what Mapuche are? Its a native people of Patagonia. The oly natives that defeated the spanish troops. The spaniard could not move further south and even had to make peace with the mapuche and accept their state. In late 19th century, Chile invited German military and told them to get rid of the Mapuche..You know what?

Southern Chile is now basicly german.



Even your General Patton wanted peace with us and forge the german army into the allied armies to crush the communists in Russia. We are the best fighters. We just often lack diplomacy and think we can take on all at same time.

 

I agree, or any race that is sorry they were born that race

 

Nothing will instill pride like killing 60 million people.

 

I have a question, according to you can i be proud for german generals like Rommel?

Killing 60 million people itself is nothing to be proud for. But its a fundamental fact, that it shows we Germans are able to do the greatest things.

We are capable to realize the greatest dreams or worst nightmares.

Just look before WW I , the German Empire was the worlds absolute leading force in science and engineering.

After WW I even so the future looked bleak, Germany again did rise on absolute pole posion and created absolite marvels in engineering. Be it gigantic Zeppelins or also passenger aircraft that
could cross the atlantic with 60 passengers. In the late 20th Germany had build and operated the worlds two largest and fastest passenger ships.

New York orchestrated a cofetti parade for Dr. Eckener and his crew when they landed with Zeppelin LZ 127 Graf Zeppelin in New York and started the weekly Zeppelin service.

Berlin in the 1920th was propably the worlds center of art and culture.

After WW II, this started to regerenerate quickly. Germany again became a powerhouse in technology and science as well as economy. Now concentrating its abilities to build a peaceful europe.

So yes, im damn proud for what we are capable for. Be it good or bad.

 

The only thing in war is to win. Nothing else matters.

Kill people and break their stuff until they do not want to fight any more.

 

Do minorities ever consider, conclude or reason, that a person who'd betray their own race, would betray anyone elses as well, and cannot be trusted?

 

US invades Mexico?

 

To be stupid is an act of freedom yes?

 

No need for a foreign expedition. Simply maintain absolute control of the border by any means necessary with all US personnel remaining on USA land.

 

"Pro-abortion?" Pro-life and pro-choice aren't pro-abortion, so who are the people who favor abortion? "Open borders" are like going from France to Germany. None of the Democratic Party candidates favors open borders.

It might be nice if you knew who your pals were talking about.

The left can't figure out what socialism means, so they're in need to their own decoder rings,

You're working the "deplorables" thing pretty hard. There are a significant number of bigots on the right, and a much smaller group of fascists and/or neo-Nazis. The latter bear watching as do Antifa and their fellow travelers on the left.

American liberals are hardly a "dying breed." They are by far the dominant force on the left in this country. It's clear they believe universal health care is a priority, and they favor doing more about climate change. That doesn't make them radicals.

You don't find it humorous people are tossing around political labels as part of delivering sweeping generalizations, and they don't even know what each other think those labels mean?

 

The "different experience" is of such low quality it might be nice of the I-have-a-feeling crowd if they went light on pushing their agenda.

IOW, you don't believe. I trust you're someone unlikely to push your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

 

Murdering many people is not a great thing.
Any idiot can do that with a knife.
Saving one person is a great thing.
Any single doctor or medical suff does greater than the whole Germans combined.

 

Germany was an existential threat and we should have become involved before we did.

I disagree about WW1. Germany winning WW1 was not in our interest.

Hitler should have been confronted in the mid-1930s.

Yes, and...?

 

You have no idea of the 'quality' of the experience.

My words will say exactly what I want them to say. You're right that I don't push my religious beliefs on others but I have, if the conversation flows in that direction, recounted a couple of religious experiences. Those who have also had them will easily understand.

 

Yeah, for sure. Being proud of your skin color or other racial characteristic makes no sense.

 

Perhaps what we understand is that we shouldn't rely on subjective experiences in these matters.

 

Roosevelt was at the very least willing to risk war with Japan by confronting them over their colonialism in the Far East. We considered ourself a Pacific power with vital interests in East Asia.

They appear to be pushing the majority of anti-Roosevelt types into defending Roosevelt for his war leadership.

 

More like what I observed. It's like Antifa on the left--if the left don't want to be associated with these jokers, they need to separate themselves from the group.

They do. One of those guys was on the Michael Medved syndicated radio show last week.

 

Yes, and they show their opposition to Open Borders by running sanctuary cities. "But I was just driving the getaway car ... I'm not a bank robber!"

These people aren't completely stupid. Of course they're not going to openly say they want Open Borders. Slowly slowly catchee monkey.

Very true. Most of them don't mean the nationalization of the economy and central planning, since that has been shown to be a huge failure.
It probably means Norwegian health care and getting someone else to pay their college fees. Certainly not equalizing the salaries of website designers and marketing managers with the wages of waitresses and truck drivers.

I would agree with this, although if we looked at the figures for actual deadly violence in the US, we would find most of it -- literally, the majority of murders -- is carried out by young Black males. I wouldn't equate them with neo-Nazis, as they probably have little in the way of conscious political beliefs, just a strong sense of grievance. And of course they mainly kill each other. But they're definitely not on the Right, and to the extent that they have political preferences, it's for the Left.

I think you equate your own very reasonable view with that of the rising generation of young Lefties. It would be nice if that were so, but it's not. You can see that on the elite campuses which train our future governing class.

Yes, certainly the majority of Democratic Party elected officials, and no doubt many millions of their voters, have the same political outlook my parents did. But you have to look at the direction of motion, whether the iceberg is growing, staying the same, or melting. As I see the changes on American elite campuses, I see old-fashioned liberalism on the way out. I also note the enormous growth of Democratic Socialists of America, who have just voted to cozy up to Anti-Fa. Admittedly it was a close vote, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that the losing side was made up of people close to my age.

I'll give you another straw in the wind. Someone alerted me, a few months ago, to the presence of someone I knew a long time ago. (A nice guy, by the way.) He's now the leader of the Communist Party in a major city -- in Texas, of all places! -- and also a Democratic Party Precinct Captain. Couldn't have happened in the Democratic Party of my parents, even though the Communists have always supported the Democrats since 1936.

I guess there is something funny about it. I'm mentally lazy, so would prefer that the world was like it was sixty years ago, when in most advanced countries there was a Left wing party, sometimes two if the Communists were a significant force, maybe a Center party, social-Catholics in some parts of Europe, and a traditional conservative party, and the quarrels were mainly about economics and how much social democracy to have. But the world has changed, in ways no one predicted, mainly due to globalization, which the elite can weather very well but which may not appear to the ordinary working person to be so very wonderful.

As for knowing what the other side thinks -- this is tricky. I do read the Pew polls from time to time, but ... you probably have heard of 'preference falsification'? (In the UK it's known as the 'shy Tory' effect.) What people tell an interviewer may not be what they really think. I have a number of liberal friends in the US, but they're all people my age -- relics of a bygone time. I sometimes go on forums run by and for young liberals and radicals, and I'm always surprised by the vehemence of their hatred for people like me. I can post a very reasonable objection to something they're discussing -- say, about how all the violence in the world is being carried out by Evangelical Christians (I'm not making this up), and ... whoa!!! The hatred! (And they don't seem to know very much, either. I think reading has gone out of style with the upcoming generations.)

Plus, American politics in particular is very mixed up. Not only am I not confident about what the other side thinks in detail, I'm not very confident about what my own side thinks. I keep saying that many social conservatives are economic liberals, ie they don't really mind New Deal type interventions by the Federal Government designed to help the working man -- in the South, they left the Democratic Party not because they had read Milton Friedman and suddenly become economic libertarians, but because the Democratic Party, by about 1970, seemed to be moving in the direction of people who despised their country, or at least weren't very proud of it. (Vietnam had a lot to do with this.).

I had this seeming paradox brought home to me years ago when I was in a roadside cafe with some of my very Republican Texas relatives, and the issue of the Minimum Wage came up -- and they were for it! How else was that poor waitress who was serving us going to make enough to feed her kids?

Trump's victory against the Republican Party leadership, who are responsive first of all to their donor class, was proof that the politics of the ordinary voter is difficult to sort out -- America is volatile, and in that she's not alone: same thing's happening in Europe.

The old elites, both Left and Right, are losing control. I'm not optimistic about the future, if we try to contain all this volatility in one country, which is why I keep proposing that we start to consider a peaceful separation.

 

I had a Jewish dairy farmer neighbor in the 1970s who got his family out of Germany in 1939, moved to Chile, then left Chile when Allende confiscated his farm.