I Don't Think I Can Defend a Trump Presidency

Even if I were an American, I wouldn't vote for HRC, because I am a progressive and HRC is a traitor to progressive values. I can't tolerate (from a democrat) that neither. I just wouldn't vote, I think.

And even then, what valour does an individual US vote has? We get more power venting off on these boards.

 

I have read the book numerous times. You do know that it is the state that controls all information right? So how do you compare that to your corporate profit only media?
Do they have a monopoly? No. Is information freely available? Yes...

I really don't think you ever read Orwell.

 

Then you have a lot more integrity than some of the so-called "progressives" on this website who are cheering for Hillary. To think that they could have chosen Bernie and then opted for Hillary shows just how brainwashed our people really are.
I wasn't a Bernie supporter, but he was infinitely better than Hillary and could have done some good things.

 

Read my previous posts again. And now I can add that your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. My first post LIKENED Clinton's relationship with the media SIMILAR to the main character in 1984. It wouldn't take much to take the country into a socialist tyranny with media behind her.

The media works best when it is critical of the party in power. That's the way it is supposed to be.

Steve

 

You keep digging your own grave and showing how little you actually understood of the book.
There is no comparison between the media and the societies we live in and the oppressive state in 1984.

It is the people of our societies that are too lazy and too stupid to research information themselves. Instead of informing themselves they create elaborate conspiracy theories and liken their situation to a book that is diametrically opposite of our reality.

You are just confirming what I write... Keep it up.

 

STOP cutting up my posts to make your false points! I will report you. Read the RULES HERE.

Steve

 

What? I replied to your comment. It doesn't multiquote.
You never read 1984 did you? You are just parroting whatever bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you hear.

Come back to me when you actually read the book.

 

So a lifetime of helping people, including blacks, poor people, etc, is overshadowed by a handful of silly comments that didn't hurt a single person?

OK, then. It's hopeless. It's that thing that can't be fixed.

 

I see what happened. You posted your comment and edited it after I had already hit the reply.
You might want to relax a bit before jumping to conclusions.

Check my signature. You seem to need it.

 

First of all, I don't know how many bad things he's done that counter that. Furthermore, doing something nice for people, while good, is not enough to convince me. Again, I'm not saying I want Hillary in there, I'm just saying that ten years from now, I'm not sure I'd like the distinction of having voted for the man.

 

I started reading this essay thinking, “This is an intelligent and courageous move on his part.

You do show some intelligence insofar as you see Donald Trump for what he is…and are willing to retreat from your position of support. And you show lots of courage for doing so publicly.

I compliment you on those things.

But your disdain for the part of the electorate who disagrees with you (and that is what you are expressing) is childish. Your call for limited suffrage…is beyond bizarre.

I am hoping YOU were looking in a mirror when you made some of the comments you made.

Bottom line:

Despite the unrelenting campaign of anger and hatred the far-right has waged against her for decades, I will vote for Hillary Clinton…and do so with enthusiasm, knowing I am voting for someone flawed, as are we all, but for someone worthy of the office.

 

Yes, I get it. You're not voting for a good man because he might have done something bad in his past that you don't yet know about.

 

Fair enough, and thanks.

You are misunderstanding me. It is not disdain for those who disagree with me, but disdain for those who don't even understand their own positions, and those engaging in blatant hypocrisy. That someone is a progressive, a communist, a libertarian, or something else I don't like is one thing, but to not even understand the extent to which someone (or some system) supports your own views is another thing entirely. How can anyone call themselves either a progressive or a conservative and have participated in this system, year after year? It's no longer valid to claim that you are simply doing the best you can. No, you are part of the problem and should stop claiming allegiance to principles you've never actually supported. Either we don't believe the things we say we do, we are gullible, or we are flat-out stupid, but either way it is an indictment of the people. How can anyone see how these people operate and come to the conclusion that they deserve our votes?

Universal suffrage is what allows this process to continue indefinitely. Powerful people manipulate stupid people, who then vote, and end up getting what they want at our expense. This is why our political platforms are full of logically disconnected ideas that don't have any real-world boundaries--they are mathematical constructs that help parties win elections. It's just a string of correlations designed to achieve maximum turnout, but what you end up with is slop.

And the beat goes on. One of these days, I'd like to see humanity develop a better system of choosing our leaders, but the people clearly aren't ready for it...

 

I don't know that he is a good man. You've provided some evidence that he might be, but it isn't going to get me to vote.

I refuse to participate in this sham of a system, and I will remain a non-voter until the lemmings stop polluting the process and allow us to get some real leadership.

 

The system is designed for direct participation. You don't participate then you are essentially voting for the status-quo. If you participate to the extent that you throw that vote away on a fringe candidate then at least you generated a meaningful political statistic.

People refusing to participate at all are categorized as too lazy and self-absorbed to even bother to vote. That's reality. Opting out of the system is meaningless so far as initiating changes is concerned.

 

I think your perception of the situation is correct.

The run for nomination was damning of both sides. On the right we had over 20 candidates, each competing to be the most extreme. On the left we had (five?), only one of who appeared to be more serious than a 3rd party candidate. Bernie was a fluke that exposed the obvious.

But the problem with 20 people all competing to be extreme is that the best extreme performer is the one that will win.

Trump can be painted a lot of different ways if we go through everything he's ever said and done, (even as a liberal), but once you see through all the hype and performance I don't think you can go back.

 

Alot of words but did not prove your point. Elections are won in teams. If you are waiting for the perfect candidate to come along you will be waiting forever.

 

If I vote I vote for the status quo. If I don't vote I at least belong to a statistical category to which some future leader or party can appeal. Voting communicates that I don't care what they do as long as they are better than "the other" candidate.

If I am falsely categorized as lazy or too self-absorbed to vote, then so be it. I'm not going to vote for candidates I perceive to be exceptionally corrupt or dangerous.

My willingness to engage in honest discussions with people on political issues is more valuable than my vote currently is, as I can at least introduce people to new ideas or concepts they haven't considered, and I can gain the same.

My problem with Trump has more to do with his personality than with his policies. I think many of the things he's brought up are very important, but his personality is dangerous.

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If I vote I vote for the status quo. If I don't vote I at least belong to a statistical category to which some future leader or party can appeal. Voting communicates that I don't care what they do as long as they are better than "the other" candidate.

If I am falsely categorized as lazy or too self-absorbed to vote, then so be it. I'm not going to vote for candidates I perceive to be exceptionally corrupt or dangerous.

My willingness to engage in honest discussions with people on political issues is more valuable than my vote currently is, as I can at least introduce people to new ideas or concepts they haven't considered, and I can gain the same.

My problem with Trump has more to do with his personality than with his policies. I think many of the things he's brought up are very important, but his personality is dangerous.

 

Then write in the Pope for president. This is about issues, not how you FEEL.

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So you vote for style over substance. I doubt the man could have attained or managed the business he has if he was as you describe.

 

How naive. Most of us have been posting to political forums systems for over a decade -- some of us far longer than that -- and after the first two years of political posting one has heard all the truly new things regarding politics, ideology, and political systems that one is ever going to hear.

Don't vote if you don't want to vote, but don't operate under the illusion that by not voting you are showing THEM anything. By not voting you are simply dismissed from all consideration.

 

Well, keep waiting. Trump is ahead in Texas so carry on. I am sure your one vote will make everyone wake up to your way of thinking. It has always been this way and will always be this way. If Hillary wins it will most likely not be the end of the world but the flood of illegal immigrants and legal immigrants will be the end of the 2 party system. There will be only one party and no choice. Is that what you want?

 

Just for a little perspective and balance, consider this:

Donald Trump is a racist, bigot, sexist, xenophobe, anti-Semitic and Islamophobe -- did I miss anything? The left and the media launch these hideous kinds of attacks at Trump everyday; yet, nothing could be further from the truth about the real estate mogul. As an entertainment journalist, I’ve had the opportunity to cover Trump for over a decade, and in all my years covering him I’ve never heard anything negative about the man until he announced he was running for president. Keep in mind, I got paid a lot of money to dig up dirt on celebrities like Trump for a living so a scandalous story on the famous billionaire could’ve potentially sold a lot of magazines and would’ve been a “yuge” feather in my cap. Instead, I found that he doesn’t drink alcohol or do drugs, he’s a hardworking businessman and totally devoted to his beloved wife and children. On top of that, he’s one of the most generous celebrities in the world with a heart filled with more gold than his $100 million New York penthouse.

In 2004, the first season of “The Apprentice” aired and at that time I worked as an entertainment columnist for the “RedEye Edition of the Chicago Tribune” and as a freelancer for “Us Weekly”. I had a gut feeling that Chicago contestant, Bill Rancic, was going to win the reality show. So I contacted him and covered the hit show the entire season. I managed to score an invite to New York for the show’s grand finale and after-party. This is where I first met Trump and got to ask him a few questions. That year, Rancic did win “The Apprentice”. I attended “The Apprentice” finale the next two years in a row. Between that and the frequent visits Trump and his family made to Chicago during the construction of their Trump International Hotel & Tower, I got a chance to meet most of his family too and I’ve had nothing but positive experiences with them. Since the media has failed so miserably at reporting the truth about Trump, I decided to put together some of the acts of kindness he’s committed over three decades which has gone virtually unnoticed or fallen on deaf ears.

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In 1986, Trump prevented the foreclosure of Annabell Hill’s family farm after her husband committed suicide. Trump personally phoned down to the auction to stop the sale of her home and offered the widow money. Trump decided to take action after he saw Hill’s pleas for help in news reports.

In 1988, a commercial airline refused to fly Andrew Ten, a sick Orthodox Jewish child with a rare illness, across the country to get medical care because he had to travel with an elaborate life-support system. His grief stricken parents contacted Trump for help and he didn’t hesitate to send his own plane to take the child from Los Angeles to New York so he could get his treatment.

In 1991, 200 Marines who served in Operation Desert Storm spent time at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina before they were scheduled to return home to their families. However, the Marines were told that a mistake had been made and an aircraft would not be able to take them home on their scheduled departure date. When Trump got wind of this, he sent his plane to make two trips from North Carolina to Miami to safely return the Gulf War Marines to their loved ones.

In 1995, a motorist stopped to help Trump after the limo he was traveling in got a flat tire. Trump asked the Good Samaritan how he could repay him for his help. All the man asked for was a bouquet of flowers for his wife. A few weeks later Trump sent the flowers with a note that read: “We’ve paid off your mortgage.”

In 1996, Trump filed a lawsuit against the city of Palm Beach, Florida accusing the town of discriminating against his Mar-a-Lago resort club because it allowed Jews and blacks. Abraham Foxman, who was the Anti-Defamation League Director at the time, said Trump “put the light on Palm Beach – not on the beauty and the glitter, but on its seamier side of discrimination.” Foxman also noted that Trump’s charge had a trickle-down effect because other clubs followed his lead and began admitting Jews and blacks.

In 2000, Maury Povich featured a little girl named Megan who struggled with Brittle Bone Disease on his show and Trump happened to be watching. Trump said the little girl’s story and positive attitude touched his heart. So he contacted Maury and gifted the little girl and her family with a very generous check.

In 2008, after Jennifer Hudson’s family members were tragically murdered in Chicago, Trump put the Oscar-winning actress and her family up at his Windy City hotel for free. In addition to that, Trump’s security took extra measures to ensure Hudson and her family members were safe during such a difficult time.

In 2013, New York bus driver Darnell Barton spotted a woman close to the edge of a bridge staring at traffic below as he drove by. He stopped the bus, got out and put his arm around the woman and saved her life by convincing her to not jump. When Trump heard about this story, he sent the hero bus driver a check simply because he believed his good deed deserved to be rewarded.

In 2014, Trump gave $25,000 to Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi after he spent seven months in a Mexican jail for accidentally crossing the US-Mexico border. President Barack Obama couldn’t even be bothered to make one phone call to assist with the United States Marine’s release; however, Trump opened his pocketbook to help this serviceman get back on his feet.

In 2016, Melissa Consin Young attended a Trump rally and tearfully thanked Trump for changing her life. She said she proudly stood on stage with Trump as Miss Wisconsin USA in 2005. However, years later she found herself struggling with an incurable illness and during her darkest days she explained that she received a handwritten letter from Trump telling her she’s the “bravest woman, I know.” She said the opportunities that she got from Trump and his organizations ultimately provided her Mexican-American son with a full-ride to college.

Lynne Patton, a black female executive for the Trump Organization, released a statement in 2016 defending her boss against accusations that he’s a racist and a bigot. She tearfully revealed how she’s struggled with substance abuse and addiction for years. Instead of kicking her to the curb, she said the Trump Organization and his entire family loyally stood by her through “immensely difficult times.”

Trump’s kindness knows no bounds and his generosity has and continues to touch the lives of people from every sex, race and religion. When Trump sees someone in need, he wants to help. Two decades ago, Oprah asked Trump in a TV interview if he’d run for president. He said: “If it got so bad, I would never want to rule it out totally, because I really am tired of seeing what’s happening with this country.” That day has come. Trump sees that America is in need and he wants to help – how unthinkable!

http://townhall.com/columnists/lizcrokin/2016/07/10/trump-does-the-unthinkable-n2190160

 

If I thought Donald would actually do the things he says he will, then I'd be more willing to stay on board, but I doubt it. Moreover, he comes off as unstable. As I said, what I originally believed to be calculated is his actual personality, and that is a problem.

First of all, his position on immigration is meaningless if he doesn't do anything about legal immigration, which is a much bigger problem than illegal immigration, and I've seen no signs that he will address the bigger issue. His position on Muslim immigration is good, but it isn't enough to make me go vote.

His personality is extremely relevant and cannot simply be dismissed as his "style."

I am not on the "team" and never have been--I think for myself. The "team" has never represented my interests, and I see no benefit in voting for them. The Republicans are the party of the rich and little else, which is why the liberals have managed to gain so much power. Donald seems like a nationalist candidate in some ways, but I cannot bring myself to trust him. I don't think he will actually pursue a nationalist agenda--he will probably end up being a typical Republican, which I will never support.

Based on my previous posts, you should know with certainty that I don't care at all about the charges of bigotry or sexism, so know that I truly have a problem with his psychological makeup and nothing engineered by the media.

Perfect candidate? I want a candidate who isn't completely corrupt or deranged. Other countries manage to pull this off all the time, but we can't seem to wrap our heads around it.

 

C'mon, man!

He has told us what he is in his own words.

Nice try...but a strike out.

If you were paid to write this, though, my congratulations. You earned your pay.

 

Excdllent, the propaganda is working!