I don't understand why schools don't lock the doors

How many of those 27 school shootings resulted in deaths?

 

No I'm not a "tough guy" at all.

But I carefully built the reputation for being one to be feared.

 

Good for you.

 

That policy makes sense of course, and is easy to implement. Should be a basic building code requirement. There are some considerations that enter into it, such as access for emergency people- fire, paramedics, etc. But that could be figured out. A very common problem these days in missing what would work because we are distracted; ranting and passionate over something that won't.

 

Sounds like you are saying you are a nice guy, but one not to mess with.
Good philosophy.

 

How many children have been murdered at school? (Hint: one is too many) While we, as a Nation, have done NOTHING?

 

That works for few. We are a society for mutual protection and production. Productivity cannot be done when we are under-fire from maniacs.

 

It’s a great philosophy, sure. I’m that type of person, too. I still lock my doors at night, and if murders in my area went up each week, I’d ponder some extra precautions.

 

Really???

How many people do you fear AND think are "nice guys"?

 

And being able to back up the position makes it credible.

 

You didn't prove my facts are wrong. You can't because they aren't wrong. Saying they are wrong without better facts from you is nonsense.

Help improve gun safety? I agree. Help stop school shooters? No data there. School shooters aren't interested in gun safety.

I agree. If only it could prevent a sociopath from becoming a school shooter. Even common sense says that laws won't deter a murdering sociopath.

If you think the background checks should be more thorough that is something you could take up with your congressman. It would be expensive to do mental health evaluations for every gun purchase but perhaps worth the price. But it won't prevent school shootings or crime.

They are nonsense in the sense that that they don't deal with the issue. They deal with a diffferent issue. We are talking about young sociopaths who turn to mass murder. The states are bound by the constitution just like the federal government, by the way. If going through all of that just to prevent a handful of gun purhases would reduce school shootings, I would support. But neither the data nor common sense thinks it would

Dramatic difference? Hyperbole and illogical. If laws prevented crime, there would be no crime. Obviously they don't. I sure agree that we need to do something. That something is taking youngsters identified as potential shooters out of society and providing them psychiatric treatment. Gun laws are good for politics on the left but everything related to school shootings is already illegal. The kid in Uvalde lied on the form he filled out to buy the gun. The form didn't help. You are chasing a talking point. Let's get into chasing something that could reduce school shootings.

 

You said; laws are a framework for punishing criminal acts. I pointed out that all law is criminal law.
You said: We've had federal gun laws since 1967. I pointed out that the Federal Firearms act was passed in 1938, before I was born, probably you too. Either was your assertion that those laws, that proceeded school shootings, prove that law is powerless to curb gun violence is nonsense.

No data there because it hasn't been tried. If "school shooters" aren't interested in gun safety wouldn't it follow that some would be weeded out if a knowledge of gun safety was required before purchasing a firearm?

Laws prohibiting a "sociopath" or other mentally problematic buyers from acquiring a gun could absolutely keep them from getting their hands on one and "deter" them from murder.

IF sound mental health was required to buy a firearm and it saved one life it would be worth the cost. You say it would be "worth the price" but wouldn't "prevent school shooting or crime" is just arguing with yourself. You seem, at least subconsciously, to agree checks for mental illness would be worthwhile.

My suggestions absolutely deal with the issue in a Constitutionally acceptable way. They are aimed at curbing gun violence, what "different" issue are you talking about. Not all mass murdering gun massacres are committed by the young. States are bound by the Constitution but they retain rights the Constitution does not have. Going through "all that" to prevent one murder is worth supporting. There is no data because it's never been tried, however Colorado's "Hunter Safety" laws indicate it's common sense to give it a try.

It's not hyperbolic or illogical to try a new approach, it's done all the time. My suggestions would not be part of criminal law. And Law AbsaByGodLutely prevents crime, not all crime but I would be willing to bet the lions share of it. I wish you would instigate a program to take youngsters that indicate a propensity to randomly shoot people and help them with treatment. Because to do that you would also have to lobby for funding which, now, there is none. I can't verify that "the Uvalde kid" lied on his form to buy the gun; I would appreciate a link. Was that the NICS or a State form? Please, "let's" get into chasing something that could reduce school shooting and other gun violence. What do you propose beyond some ambiguous taking of youngsters and providing psychiatric help? How would that happen? Wouldn't it start with new legislation?

 

Correction.

You said; laws are a framework for punishing criminal acts. I pointed out that all law is NOT criminal law.

Sry.

 

Then please accept my edit. CRIMINAL laws are a framework for punishing criminal acts.

The Firearms act of 1934 wasn't serious gun control. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was the one that banned mail order sales and myriad of other things making gun purchases difficult. Sorry I got the name and date wrong. If gun laws curbed gun violence, there wouldn't be any gun violence. Sadly there is a lot of it. Gun laws don't affect criminals. They aren't impressed by them.

There is no reason to think that about young sociopaths. My understanding is they are driven to get revenge on those that have affected their lives. They are only somewhat aware of what they are doing when they engage in a mass school shooting. Your idea may work on sane people but sane people don't engage in mass school shootings. Virtually every school shooter is a young sociopath.

It would make it difficult for the shooter to acquire a gun legally. I don't think it would deter the sociopath from murder.

I suggested that they may be worth the price to the poster. They might reduce some shootings but there are illegal ways to acquire firearms and there are other tools a mass murderer can use if a gun isn't available. My opinions don't come from my subconscious.

 

Yes I know. I thought you might be able to figure out that I was referring to criminal laws.

 

Okydoke.

"Gun laws don't affect ALL criminals". Hardened criminals no, you're probably right. But the "young sociopaths" behind these mass murder assaults aren't hardened criminals, just youngsters that have lost their way. Funding mental health and including "sanity" checks in NCIS could make a difference. There's no way of knowing until it's tried.

Well that's a circular argument if there ever was one. I was parodying your post to show ... it's narrow mindedness. Mental competency checks could make a life saving difference; people, not even sociopaths live in a vacuum. And we should do more, in general, to help troubled Americans, even you agreed with that.. Of course this all would need to be funded and "legislated" ... ie. LAW.

If they can't get "a gun" it could save lives. This could be a money "maker" or at least pay for itself, NCIS costs the applicant.

Your argument is that it wouldn't stop ALL shootings. NOTHING is perfect, but trying something that hasn't been tried is the only way to find out if it will help. Again for the umpteenth time (2) if it saves one life it was worth trying.

Part of this problem is that we've made the decision to cut mental health funding, apparently it needs to be rethought. Hey, if it reduces gun violence ... win, win. If it stops one mass shooting Yatze!

And "I" said it's nonsense to think that laws don't prevent crime. "Locks keep honest people honest", so do laws.
I do not hate guns. Nothing I've suggested attacks "guns" or tries to confiscate them; you've got me wrong there. You said you'd like to get sociopaths psychiatric help. Are you going to fund it? Somewhere along the line it's going to take funding, to get funding it's going to take ... wait for it! ... a L A W !!!!