'I Feel Duped on Climate Change'

You get stupid answers when you ask stupid questions. You really don't know the difference?

 

I'm much stronger in chemistry than in physics. Which when I get the time to read into it further will help me to understand the arguments. My skepticism isn't really as a result of what's been published, but because of the challenges climatologists face: it's difficult to conduct experiments and the only data we have is relatively new considering how old the planet is.

I'm not sure I understood any of this. Are you drunk?

I empathize with the science nerd, I've always had an interest in why things are the way they are. Frankly it's frustrating interacting with people who are closed minded about subjects such as this. I get the feeling sometimes folks are afraid to learn anything that challenges their beliefs, and that's a shame.

 

You stated

Which is you must agree is a very broad statement encompassing a vast array of facts

I simply asked you to verify this statement with some sort of factual basis so that I can continue to rebut adequately and accurately.

What is "stupid" about asking you to tell me the difference between climatology and "real measured data"? I suspect you cannot because you have a basic misunderstanding of what climatology is but until I can identify where that misunderstanding is I cannot further our discussions

 

I would gleefully settle for them being able to differentiate between a research paper and a blog. A home made you tube presentation of some person unknown sprouting rubbish and a well referenced article. Even just to accept that NASA probably has a better idea of what is happening to the climate of the world than Joe Blogger from nowheresville who has a degree in mushroom farming (and I have been actually linked to that particular blog) I would be thrilled if people could give equal weight to the allegations made of dishonesty in some hacked emails (which have been proven false) and the proven deception of the "Oregon Petition"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

(((((((((((((((((((Sigh))))))))))))))))))))

I have found so much misinformation, cherry picking, deception, and outright lies on denialist sites that I cannot even begin to list it all and yet THESE people are still held up to be "honest" while hard working scientists with nothing to gain are vilified

 

So you have nothing except ‘because I say so”. Universities exist on my carpenter’s money. I am to decide who works there and who does not, who knows the subject and who does not. If scientists don’t like me, a basic electrician, bossing them around, they can go on their own, like I do, or they can ask an oil company to hire them. I have no opening for charlatans.

 

Going back to the OP, a chemistry professor talking nonsense about solar cycles doesn't quite count as a refutation of global warming theory.

Even if the sun goes into another maunder minimum, we _still_ get global warming. An abnormally low sun would just set the warming clock back by about 10 years or so. The CO2 we've already put out simply overwhelms any rationally conceivable solar output reduction.

If denialists want to be taken seriously, they need to come up with an actual scientific explanation for the current warming, something beyond handwaving. "It's a natural cycle!" is evasive handwaving, unless you point out exactly what's causing the natural cycle.

 

If you have no time for charlatans - why believe any of the denialsists? I can assure you that there are more charlatans on the denialist side than on the scientist side

And I am a nurse, not an academic so it is not all about "universities"

 

I think we proved that they will not listen when I offered to refute at least one point within that post and was told "not interested"

 

When Germans start to laugh and compose essays making me to reconsider my old view on German sense of humor, I may as well reconsider my disagreement with Trinity's statement. It looks like the ground really starts shaking under warmers's feet. We've got some reinforcement, real Panzers are rolling in!

 

Oh! Please! A couple of anonymous people on a right wing political board do not a global movement make

 

you really understood that I said that I did have no time for charlatans ?

P.S. If I had to use help of a nurse, I wouldn't have a problem to put my life in your hands.
But for scientists I don't have a dime to spare.

P.P.S. can you show link, quote where I ever demonstrated that I believed to denialists or denialists? ( you know that i have only one belief and you know what it is, don't you?)

 

It's like defending yourself in a murder trial by claiming that people died of natural causes long before you were born.

Yeah, so what?

 

flip the binocular you are using to observe the world around. German humor and satira are rolling on you!

 

OH reeeeeeeeely?


A fail yer sayin'?


Jus' who showed this thread to be such a big bad fail pray tell........



OH yeah, almost fergot........ I feeeeeeeeeeeel better now.....

 

Nope, are you? (Drunk on Commie kool aid, that is)?


You sure find specs in the eyes of others while ignorin' the log in yers, eh?

 

Do you have a source for this statement?

 

but according to the Climate Change Fanatics, weather has NOTHING to do with climate..

no seriously...they do!

 

Strawman argument.

It's not that weather has nothing to do with climate it's that climate is weather trends and one instance of it being cold at your place is not proof that the climate trend across the whole planet is doing the exact same thing.

 

then you should easily be able to present the data that establishes a causal relationship.
Lets's go, time's a wasting.

 

Ok, enjoy your stay here.

 

You mean you have not seen that yet???

Simple google search yields this
http://www.google.com.au/search?cli....,cf.osb&fp=72548892f4215ecf&biw=1366&bih=576

Now the top search link will give you the research articles from google scholar

However if this is too difficult to follow you can always search images
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=c...e&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CAwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=576

Now if this "game" proceeds as many have done before, these links will be dismissed while there is a strident call for "causal relationships"

And at that point it will not matter what is posted in response the goal posts will continue to be shifted

 

Ole merc you will be attacked and persecuted for your views. The truth hurts. I imagine that when piltdown man was exposed as a fraud of science, many of his supporters are still looking for him, the FORTY YEAR HOAX! Those kind of people will NEVER admit they were wrong. I would simply let it go. More and more evidence will be emerging and is emerging as we speak, and its evidence against man made climate change.

reva

 

What we are seeing is the revealing of the truth. I feel as a kindred soul with Fritz Vahrenholt, for I too was an early climate change environmental activist, even going so far as to spike trees, and commit industrial sabotage here and in a few western states. We targeted those that cut old growth forest. Anyway as my friends got more militant I began study. It was when I was beginning my astronomy hobby at the time natural science was also a hobby. I would construct my vacation around a camping spot that had interesting geology etc. Anyway long story short most environmental militants turned out to be wrong with a few notable exceptions.

The same thing is happening again. Its popular to be screaming the Al Gore mantra and exceedingly unpopular to be for the truth. The truth is that man made i.e. Anthropogenic global warming is a false construct with some of it maliciously designed to an ulterior goal that is unknown to their supporters. The bad thing is that some of the climate change proponents science is good to excellent science but they fall upon the wrong conclusions. Grant money would evaporate if there was no real problem eh? Al Gore made billions duping the gullible and naïve, his money and the thousands like him would actually have to get a job eh? Those that hug trees would have to find another REAL cause to support, like the TRUTH that the earth will be hit by an extinction level big f’ rock or comet in the future. Or that manned space exploration and yes even exploitation should be paramount in mans evolution…anyway my point is drop it babies or as my hs science teacher used to call us Kiddies’ The sky is falling because of Anthropogenic global warming is a big mistake or lie at best , and a designed scare tactic at worse. I feel the latter is the truth. Why and what would someone or a group of someones do that? That’s material for another thread eh?

reva

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJSA0iZ_xeA"]Himalayan glaciers -- "no melt in 10 years" - YouTube[/ame]

You ever watch this guy's vids?

 

Nice truthful site (below)

NASA says, no to global warming. "Alarmist computer models"
able2know.org/topic/175222-1
http://able2know.org/topic/175222-1

Oops does that make me a Google Professor? Well I could appeal to common sense of the GWP (global warming proponents), but that hasn't worked in 10 years. Or I could suggest library references etc, but the GWP's set foot in a library or even college campus it seems (by the disinformation embedded in their posts). So I fear I will have to use the easily assessable search engine technique to drive home my points. I urge those GWP's that fear the Google scholars information is not credible, they should actually debunk the information the Google and bing search engines provide in a precise manner, THEN and only then can they claim that the GS's are some how less credible than the pure hearsay they spout. Here are a few more good sites that thoroughly debunk man made global warming;

http://icecap.us/

Good link of emerging and older science debunking the scare;

Nature Journal of Science Discredits Man-made Global Warming ...
biggovernment.com/.../nature-journal-of-science-discredits-man-mad...
Sep 6, 2011 – The editorial skewered academic doubters of man-made Global Warming as .... Algore's "anthropogenic global warming" will go down as the .... I can't wait to see the British courts update the warning label on An Inconvenient Truth. .... science falsely so-called", and this by the heavily-credentialed folks who ..

Read more at;

http://biggovernment.com/cstreet/20...f-science-discredits-man-made-global-warming/

Another?

Reva