I hang my head in shame today

The woman In Wind and the Lion was a man

55 Days had a similar respect for history

At least you admit that Sand Pebbles was fictional

Typical conservative, all your military "expertise" comes from Chuck Norris

 

The al Houthis have been considered a critical threat since 2011.

 

The latter.

 

Eastern Exit: The Noncombatant
Evacuation Operation (NEO)
From Mogadishu, Somalia,
in January 1991

Eastern Exit has shown that short-notice, long-range NEOs are executable using assets that the Navy and Marine Corps have deployed around the world on a nearly continuous basis.

Eastern Exit was initiated on 2 January 1991 following a request by the U.S.Ambassador to Somalia, James K. Bishop, for military assistance to evacuate U.S.personnel and others from the U.S. Embassy in Mogadishu. Somalia's long-brewing civil war had been worsening through the fall of 1990 and, by the new year, violent anarchy reigned in Mogadishu. Threats to foreigners escalated tremendously; for example, on 4 January, U.S. Embassy personnel and guards had a gunfight with looters attempting to enter the Embassy compound.

Source: https://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/research/2791021100.pdf

Regarding Yemen...

August 6, 2013
The U.S. State Department has ordered the evacuation of all non-essential personnel from Yemen because of an increased terror threat. A U.S. military cargo plane assisted with the evacuation early this morning, U.S. officials told ABC News.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/International...rders-americans-leave-yemen/story?id=19878987

Historical precedence should have been followed at this time and the State Department should have requested that the military begin planning an NEO. The U.S. Ambassador has the responsibility, according to law, to request a NEO. It appears to me this latest evacuation did not follow any sort of advanced planning. In this regard, a fair criticism is deserved.

Past operations involving non-combatant evacuations (NEOs)

1975 - Operation Frequent Wind - Fall of Saigon, Vietnam War
1976 - Operation Fluid Drive - Lebanese Civil War
1990 - Operation Sharp Edge - Liberia
1991 - Operation Eastern Exit - Somalia
1991 - Philippines (Mount Pinatubo) Mount Pinatubo Evacuations
1992 - Operation Silver Anvil - Sierra Leone
1994 - Operation Tiger Rescue - Yemen
1996 - Operation Assured Response - Liberia
1996 - Operation Quick Response - Central African Republic
1997 - Operation Silver Wake - Albania
1997 - Operation Noble Obelisk - Sierra Leone
1998 - Operation Safe Departure - Eritrea
1998 - Operation Shepard Venture - Guinea-Bissau
2002 - Operation Shepard Sentry - Central African Republic
2002 - Operation Autum Return - Cote d'Ivoire
2003 - Operation Shining Express - Liberia
2006 - 2006 Lebanon War
2010 - Operation Tacit Drift - 2010 Kingston Unrest - Jamaica
2011 - Libya, Tunisia, Japan
2014 - Libya

You would think the U.S. State Department would know the drill by now, this is not their first rodeo and it won't be their last.

Request a contingency plan for evacuation be established well in advance of the necessity to implement it.

 

Well you know how Hollywood works. You have to have tits, a nice ass, kisses, a little nudity to get people to fork out five bucks for ten cents worth of popcorn.

As for Chuck Norris, he's a homie, his expertise came from me.

 

Of any of the above incidents listed above, were the embassy Marines ordered to surrender or to destroy their rifles ?

To the best of my knowledge, NO.

 

I would have to research that, but in the examples of Eastern Exit and Silver Wake...Marine helicopters deployed from Navy ships based off-shore were used. While travel aboard civilian chartered aircraft used by military personnel often allows weapons on board, they do not permit ammunition. Using military aircraft, no one would have been asked to give up their weapons.

Without knowing the full story, personally I would have not hesitated to use U.S. military assets to assit in the evacuation of non-combatants...and they (the miltary assets) would be armed, locked and loaded at all times in the process...ingress and egress. You don't (*)(*)(*)(*) around, if the situation has hit critical mass. You don't have to go in guns blazing, but be prepared if the situation calls for returning fire in the process of getting out of dodge.

Again though take my opinion with a grain of salt, I am not a military planner by trade...just a chauffeur.

 

You were never assigned to any US Embassy, were you?

 

And "The Sand Pebble" is on the U.S. Naval Institute (USNI is the U.S. Navy's think tank) list of books to be read. < http://www.usni.org/store/books/fiction/sand-pebbles >

Why ? Because there's a lot to be learned from the book that every CPO and naval officer should know.

Just like the "MARINE CORPS PROFESSIONAL READING PROGRAM LIST." < http://www.marines.mil/News/Message...-corps-professional-reading-program-list.aspx > What you will notice is that it's reommended that all Marines read "Starship Trooper" It's just not a novel and fiction but it's science fiction. There's a lot to be learned from the book to lead men into combat.

In the book "The Sand Pebble" and also shown in the movie, a USS San Pebble sends a small landing party ashore only armed with 03 Springfields. There's a confertation with either Chinese Nationalist or Chinese Communist (I forget) but the American "blue jackets" are outnumbered and it's getting close to a fire fight taking place.

Now Americans be they U.S. Marines, soldiers, sailors or civilians were already well known throughout the world as the best marksmen in the world, it's Americana. Well the Chinese officer in charge not really wanting to get into a fire fight with the American sailors even knowing he outnumbered the American sailors allowed the sailors to return the the Sand Pebble but he didn't disarm the American sailors but did something that would embarrass the Americans just as much, he ordered that the American sailors had to "sling arms" their rifles and return to their ship.

The American naval officer in charge of the landing party ordered "sling arms" and the American sailors were pissed off big time. They would rather die in a fire fight and have their rifles preyed from their dead hands than sling arms and they lost respect for the officer and looked at him as a coward.

 

No, my expertise were required up in I Corps in the RVN.

How about you, did you ever serve with a Marine embassy guard detachment ?

 

Interesting fact though, Carlos got his nickname while serving as an MP in the Air Force.

 

I was not, I was ineligible to serve in such a duty being married.

But I used to train Embassy Guards, and I was a guard for over 3 years on a Navy Base, and such training was a crucial part of our training.

As is another classic Sci-Fi book, "Ender's Game". It was placed upon the Marine Corps List within 2 years of being published and has been there ever since.

But to really get it, you have to actually read the books, not watch the movies. Starship Troopers was a decent action movie, but it was not really "Starship Troopers". Hell, they could not even get the race of the star correct, and the director admitted he hated the book and did not read it! He just turned it into a kind of Neo-Fascist government with a bug problem.

 

Like the novel "The Cain Mutiny." Once required reading for all JAG officers and recommended or required reading for law students during the 50's, 60's and 70's just like Vattel's "Law of Nations" use to be.

The movie "Cain Mutiny" only covers about half of the book ignoring the first quarter of the book and most of the last quarter of the book. And also leaving out many of the incidents that took place. In the movie when Ens. Keith and Lt. Keefer took a whale boat over to an aircraft carrier to see Adm. Halsey to drop a dime on Lt. Cmd. Queeg, in the book it wasn't a carrier but the battleship USS New Jersey which was Halsey's flagship at the time.

I'm surprised "The Cain Mutiny" hasn't made the reading list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caine_Mutiny

http://www.amazon.com/The-Caine-Mutiny-A-Novel/dp/0316955108

 

Retarded 3 year olds are offended by your comparison.

 

Update on Obama ordering U.S. Marines to disarm:

 

What god do you worship who would be let down that a bunch of US marines destroyed their rifles?

You're too funny.

 

It was an unlawful order.

The State Department isn't part of the U.S. military chain of command.

If the State Department issued the order, it was an unlawful order and people need to go to jail for a long time.

From the Code of Conduct:
Article II: I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

 

So your entire dumb argument is based on the amazingly stupid logic of equating "surrendering your person to the enemy" with "disabling a weapon".

Good luck with that.

 

Back before the Obama's PC military, taking a sludge hammer to a rifle was a serious offense, rule of thumb was confinement in a "red line brig," bread and water and a Big Chicken Dinner.