I have always been on the side of the working man and woman

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Not sure what that means or that I even care. If they win the house it is because more people voted democrat than republican. That is a win
     
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    That his party lost the House but gerrymandered pretty well.
     
  3. JakeStarkey

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    It is the fake news and alt facts and outright lies of the Trump right that is suffocating free speech.
     
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    Along with the Progressive conservative base.

    Both parties are Big Government Progressive in nature.
     
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    One has got to be a complete imbecile to believe that this Democrat party cares about the working clas.Just look at the amount of money the democrats are spending on their campaigns.Look at their sponsors.Dems betrayed both the working class and the middle class.The working class turned their back on them.Rightly so.They are better off with the Orange Overlord.
     
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    Why are you so afraid to address this?

    It's not complicated: if Trump does not lose the number of seats Obama did in his first midterm (63 House, 6 Senate) this is a clear sign that the American people were far more disenfranchised during Obama's first term than during Trump's first term.

    If you believe this isn't true, please tell me why you think this.

    Thanks...
     
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    Haha the left is so predictable:

    If it's not gerrymandering, it's voter suppression when the right wins elections. When the left wins it is the American people speaking.

    Try again...
     
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    We "missed it" because it didn't happen?

    Who supports higher minimum wage? Not Republicans

    Who supports unions? Not Republicans

    WHo supports tax cuts for the rich? Not Democrats
     
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    Why just compare it to Obama. Maybe we should compare it to every midterm and take an average and decide THAT is what winning means? Right?
     
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    Its hilarious. You are preparing for your loss and want to be able to say well its not really a loss. LOL
     
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    You seem to be very confused as to which party supports the working class. Traditionally the Democrats were the party of the working class you were wrong in your youth. The Democrats sold out and became the party of the global capitalists along with the Republicans.

    Then Trump came along and stood with the working class deplorables and got elected.

    Think! The unions of the '60s were anti-immigration and pro-protectionism. The Democrats sold them out on both positions. Trump is just championing the working class by reasserting their desires to restrict immigration and install protective tariffs, for the first time in 50 years.
     
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    Pure nonsense
     
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    And yet here you are speaking..

    Oh...
     
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    I repeat
     
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    One has got to be a complete imbecile to believe that this Republican party cares about the working class.

    Tax cuts that are temporary while corporate is permanent.

    A growing deficit that is gutting the nation's earning power.

    Inflation increasing.

    Purchasing power dropping despite wage "hikes".

    Never trust the GOP.
     
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    You have it right. The GOP suppresses voters, Dems enable them. Try again . . .
     
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    JakeStarkey said: This explains why and how I feel the way I do. The Republicans, my party of my youth and middle age, became the very fascists that my father and uncles helped to destroy. The fascists will always favor wealth over poor, look with disdain at poverty with no obligation to help relieve and redirect their efforts into healthier, more prosperous paths that ennoble our People and Nation. The fascists' power must destroyed every generation. This election begins the regeneration of a healthy Nation degenerating from an overdose of Trumpage.
    The working class will be reverting in this election. The Dems are always for the working class. The GOP is internationalist, while lying they are not. Trump is championing his own ego, nothing else.
     
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    Tax cuts are great for the working class.

    A They pay less tax that they can ill afford.
    B Job creators pay less tax to create jobs in America. Meaning more jobs for the working class.

    Add this to any successful curbs on immigration and what that means is pay rises as competition amongst employers for domestic workers rises.

    Inflation is being dealt with by interest rate rises and is for the most part on imported foreign luxury goods, not working class staples.
    Once again this favours domestic job creation. Great for the working class.

    Trump has the working class vote.
    He is addressing their number one political concern which is immigration.
    No one else is. That is why he is winning.

    The Democrats describe the working class as "deplorables" and consider them too stupid to be listened to.
    Their policies are to protect the interests of party donors, the multi-nationals who have outsourced all their working class jobs to China....
    And to the state sector employee's who earn serious money that working class people who pay for it, never will.
    They consider immigrants to be natural Democrat voters, and approve of as much immigration as they can get.
    Describing those who are disadvantaged by this, the working classes, as "racists" and "Nazi's",
    They jack up the price of everything with costly vanity programs like green energy which really hurts poor people.
     
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    How you see Trump may not be the way the working class sees Trump. Why should they have changed their minds since 2016 given low unemployment numbers?

    And the way you see Dems may not be the working class sees Dems. The workers are against immigration and some Dems want to abolish ICE.
     
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    Baff and Pycckia don't get it.

    Temporary tax cuts for the working person that do not go far enough, while the corporate tax cut is permanent.

    Many workers are for immigrants, and many are not, yes.
     
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    Please do so, the information is out there. You might be surprised.

    My main point is while the left will call regaining the House this Nov. a historic victory (it won't be if they win the bare minimum to regain the house), they continue to gloss over losing more seats during the previous two midterms than any other political party going back almost a hundred years.

    Now that was historic, but I bet most liberals/progressives/socialists who live in a leftwing echo chamber had no clue about this.

    Heck, the Democratic Party has lost almost 1,000 state and federal legislative seats since 2010. This is why so many of us were not surprised at Trump's election and the fact Benie would have won the 2016 Democratic primaries if the fix wasn't in...
     
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    The Democrats certainly do remarkable things in gaining voters; I'm especially impressed how they bring the dead back to life haha.

    I happen to agree with you Jake, about both parties no longer serving the people. They do anything but.

    But as a liberty-loving individual who detests identity politics and big government, the Repubs are certainly the lesser of two evils. Like you, though, I do wish for a viable third party.

    But how you can support a Democratic Party so obsessed with race and gender and class and a totalitarian big central government and their desire to shreds our constitution is beyond me. What is occurring with free speech and the 1A on many college campuses should frighten most liberals (and for some, to give them credit, it does).

    And that's just for starters. Their desire to take money out of the pockets of the working man to redistribute to their non-working (and in California, for example, illegal alien non-working) voters is what drove away working people from the Democratic Party, after all. Throw in their opposition to property rights, gun rights, private businesses and self-determination, it's no wonder the Socialist Democrats of America have found a home in the Democratic Party.

    Democrats, when they truly supported working people, were stringent opponents of illegal aliens. Now they embrace them.

    Why is this? Except to build their voting base at the expense of working people, of course?
     
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    When Obama won and he had a filbuster proof senate was that a "historic victory".

    Look you are just getting ready to lose and want to redefine "losing". LOL
     
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    The GOP falls flat on its face. If the House regains the Dem majority, then the historic GOP wins of the past now are meaningless.

    And the fact is that the Dems will pick up another 30 to 35% of local and state lege seats lost from 2008 to 2016, wiping away GOP gains.

    Hint, Rightness: you are going into the minority.
     
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    What??
    I do believe that a number of things evolved over time to change the kind of work the working class does now.
    Back in the '80s, when people were saying we should "be American, buy American." consumers bought the lowest priced--the imports from China and Mexico. Jobs went to other countries because the cost of labor in this country was hard on the corporate bottom line. These consumer and corporate decisions had nothing to do with the parties abandoning the working class. It was capitalism, plain and simple.
     
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