I think congress should sign the immigration bill IF

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Getting the bill signed is not about Biden.It's about what's best for the public. What you're saying is we should deprive the electorate a benefit because a politician will not apologize? That's ridiculous
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fine, throw out "apologize". how about some simple acknowledgement from him then? Trump owned up to his covid mistakes, i guess Dirty Joe doesn't have that level of integrity.
    Shameful!
     
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  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Just pass the damn bill, that's what is best for the country. Getting a bill passed isn't about satisfying egos.
     
  4. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reversing useful EOs shouldn't be about satisfying egos either, but Biden sure did it to satisfy his. if you are gonna call out BS, call out all of it please.
    Thank you!
     
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    Wrong. He did what he thought was best. Ego had nothing to do with it. Asking for 'apology' is about satisfying one's ego and has nothing to do with passing bills. Getting rid of harmful EOs is about doing what is best for the country. You may disagree, but that is a policy disagreement, ego has nothing to do with it. .
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I stopped reading at the red part. Looks like you won't acknowledge Mr Biden's mistakes either. This is why the right can NEVER compromise with the left ever again. They ALL have this mentality (except maybe RFK)
     
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    Republicans will get another shot at cracking down on illegal immigration. Trump will probably tell them to allow it to persist and blame the President for it.

    Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will bring the bipartisan border deal that was negotiated early this year by a group of Senators back up on the floor this week for a standalone vote, he said in a letter to his colleagues released Sunday night.
     
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    But he won't bring up HR2.
     
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    Lankford's bipartisan bill is far more comprehensive. The deeply-flawed, extremist, HR2 has no chance of passing and being signed into law. Even the conservative Chamber of Commerce opposed it.

    Under H.R. 2, employers would be required to verify — under penalty of prison — that all their workers were documented. The method for doing so would be the E-Verify system, a voluntary program set up under a 1996 immigration bill passed under then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) that cross-references an employee’s employment paperwork against the social security database. A 2019 report by the libertarian Cato Institute found that E-Verify catches fewer than 1 in 6 undocumented workers. Rep. John Duarte (R) said the program “would have been devastating for food producers or would have been devastating for farmworker families." The bill also provides for even those who are found to have credible claims to be held in detention for the years while their cases drag on — and requires the Department of Homeland Security to expand detention facilities to hold them. It would require DHS to reestablish family detention, and once again allow families with children to be detained indefinitely.
    [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...w-about-border-bill-hr2-gop-shutdown-threats/]
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    So you want to allow illegals to work illegally in the US.

    Got it.
     
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    Illegals have been an essential component of the U.S. workforce for many decades, and will continue to be so regardless of the Lankford bill's comprehensive reform of border security that has been endorsed by the border guards union. Do you get that?
     
  12. Lil Mike

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    I dismiss your first statement, that "Illegals have been an essential component of the U.S. workforce for many decades." They have not been an essential component, they've been the cheapest component. And you want that to continue. That's what I get.
     
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    And thus essential.
     
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    You get it wrong, of course. While I recognize that the U.S. economy is dependent upon undocumented workers, I support the comprehensive reforms in Lankford's bill.
     
  16. Lil Mike

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    I got it right. I recognize the same "slavery is essential" argument.
     
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    The President is still pushing for the Senate and House to pass Lankford's comprehensive bill to significantly increase border security and ignore Trump's attempts to thwart progress.

    President Biden on Monday talked with Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) as the White House pushes for a vote on a bipartisan border security bill in the Senate.

    The White House in a statement said Biden “reiterated that Congressional Republicans should stop playing politics and act quickly to pass this bipartisan border legislation that would add thousands of Border Patrol agents and personnel, invest in technology to catch fentanyl and combat drug trafficking, and make our country safer.”

    [https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ike-johnson-mitch-mcconnell-push-border-bill/]
     
  18. Lil Mike

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    There is already a bill that passed the House, HR2. That would be the easiest and quickest to pass if you are really interested in border security.
     
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    This one is better than hr2.
     
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    anytime a person breaks a law and gets arrested while their children are with them, the two are separated.

    I’m not sure why illegally entering the US should be an exception.

    the Congress failing to act argument is a strawman. Biden has the authority to force asylum seekers to wait in Mexico as Trump did. That forced the Mexican government to have to deal with migrants instead of moving them north to the US.
     
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    I wonder if the left still likes the Border Patrol now.

    Border officials rip Biden’s attempt at last-minute policy changes ‘because it’s election year’

    YUMA, Arizona — Former and current border officials believe President Biden is making last-minute changes to his administration’s border policies solely to gain votes in the November presidential election.

    On May 16, the Biden administration announced it would implement a new expedited asylum adjudication process for migrants who will have their cases heard in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles or New York City, where decisions will be made within 180 days.

    The president is also said to be weighing an executive order to shut down the border once there are 4,000 crossings per day, sources recently told The Post.

    Former President Donald Trump’s Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf, Yuma County Sheriff Leon Wilmot and former Yuma sector Border Patrol chief Chris Clem all told The Post they feel these fixes are just for show, and won’t address problems caused by the last three and a half years of crisis at the southern border.

    Biden’s measures and proposals are just “a fourth-quarter Hail Mary out of desperation,” Clem said.

    The Biden administration is also implementing new restrictions for asylum interviews taking place at the southern border to more quickly remove migrants who can’t prove they have a “credible fear” of returning to their home country.

    “I think it’s too little too late and counters everything [Biden’s] argued that he doesn’t have the authority,” Clem said.

    https://nypost.com/2024/05/21/us-news/officials-slam-biden-for-last-minute-border-fixes/
     
  22. Lil Mike

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    Nope
     

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