'I would do it again 100 times'

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Only a religion where the fear of god is instilled, and a holy book condones, can such an atrocity occur while being considered the "right thing" on moral grounds.

 

Woah hold on a second. Islam doesn't at all condone honor killings.

This man is obviously mentally ill but again this has more to do with him personally than religiously.

Show me one verse in the Quran that supports honor killing before saying nonsense like that.

Salam

 

"There are many things in Islam that you, I or no one else understands. In such cases we have to say, "Allah knows best" and stop thinking. If you follow this advice, Islam will make perfect sense to you."

Ali Sina

 

That seems to be true. There doesn't seem to be a verse in the Quran prescribing honor killings.

Is Islam only the Quran though? No hadiths are to be taken into account or heeded? People under Sharia can ignore the law, which itself has the Quran as it's foundation? I believe the answer to all three of those is no. While the Quran may not condone such a thing, and in several places speaks against it, just saying it is not in the Quran so 'Islam doesn't condone it at all' is not at all accurate, is it?

 

It may not be in your beloved book, but the actions of many Muslims and the actions of many Islamic governments does seem to condone it.

 

There are no Hadiths condoning honor killings either and usually only Sunni Muslims follow the Hadith. Or any aspect of Sharia Law condoning such acts.

Honestly there is no link to the teachings of Islam ad honor killings other than some fundamentalist Muslims doing them.

So to try and link Islam to honor killings is quite inaccurate in itself since it isn't condoned anywhere in the religion.

Salam

 

Honor killings isn't such a popular act in the Muslim world. A minority of Muslims do it and like I said it has more to do with their fathers mental state rather than religious because there's no reason for a man to think the Quran gives him the right to murder his own children...

Salam

 

Why say there are no hadiths condoning honor killing and then point out that only the Sunni follow hadiths? This makes it sound like you don't want the Sunni to be a part of your religion. You may or may not accept what they teach or follow but they are certainly a Muslim group. They are part of Islam, like it or don't.

Then you say there are no links between Islam and honor killing except for the things that happen to be links, namely the fundamentalists. These are the ones using a portion of the religion you probably don't agree with, but you not agreeing with it does not mean they fabricated it out of whole cloth. They got these ideas from somewhere.

You end this saying that linking the two is inaccurate because it isn't condoned anywhere in the religion, and yet you just pointed at the Sunni indirectly and more directly at the fundamentalists you accuse outright of doing so.

Just for reference sake, here are some of those passages condoning the Sunni at least so far as doling out the death penalty for apostatsy, and in the first case also for murder and adultery:

From the Sahih al-Bukhari:

 

lol you do know I am a Sunni Muslim, right? Well you do know. that actually made me laugh though...

The only reason I say there is a link is because there are Muslims doing it. But that doesn't mean they are practicing Islam just because they are Muslim. Honor killings have been around before Islam and while it seems the majority of honor killings is committed by Muslims it isn't only exclusive a Muslim "practice."

Honor killings are tribal, personal and i don't see any reason to link them to Islam, especially when the religion doesn't even support it...

Salam

 

I actually did not. It is clear now, though you excluding your own group as the possibly guilt party is a bit odd. Maybe I'm reading things wrong. My apologies if that's the case.

I agree with you that it is not just Muslims doing this, but they are perhaps the most visible doing it, and for the ones that are, they find their justification, or they at least attribute their religion toward being why they do it and why they are able and why they should not be held accountable in some cases.

If the religion itself did not support this, we'd not be having this conversation. The religion is exactly where those people get it from.

 

Islam does not condone honor killings. This man is obviously a cruel nutcase. It's funny though. Those sickos would never kill their sons for dating the 'wrong' girls but they seem to see their daughters as disposable.

 

I find it odd that you claim X, while a great number of Muslims cite Islam as the source of their morals, the justification in their honor killings.

If not the Qur'an, why commit honor killings?

 

As I said, there is NOTHING in the Quran promoting honor killings do there's NOTHING in the Quran justifying honor killings.

Why commit then? Again, this has more to do with tribal cultural actions rather than religious. These men do then for anything as little as talking to a boy. Lack of education and some obvious mental issues seems to be the reason for most of these.

Salam

 

Because it is cultural, not religious.

 

I don't understand why this is too hard for some people to comprehend.

Salam

 

Is the culture not centered around Islam?

 

In general, honor killings are mostly based off of pre-Islamic traditions, but it doesn't really matter.

The fact that honor killings are typically performed by religious nutjobs in the Islamic World shows another part of how piety is often synonymous with mental instability.

 

Culture isn't always meaning religion. And honor killings have been practiced for a very long time, before Christianity or Islam came around, by Pagans.

Salam

 

No, Arabs have been around far before Islam. And the most common areas for these are around Pakistan and India. Honor killings a pre-Islamic practice dating back to Pagans.

Salam

 

Not at all. You brought up the Hadiths, I just said the Hadiths aren't as important to all Muslims (majority are Sunni but that's not the point). I didn't put the blame on any sect and personally I'm not too fond of the different sects but that's for another time.

Because the media jumps on it trying to paint honor killings as an Islamic practice. There is no way to justify honor killings through Islam. Blaming Islam is the only way to justify it but Islam doesn't condone it and instead tells us not to kill people unless they kill somebody or cause problems in the land. Life isn't something a Muslim can just take for whatever reason they want.

The religion DOES NOT support honor killings. How many times do I need to say this? Where do they get it from from Islam? What Surah, what Hadith? Honor killings have been practiced before Islam was a religion.

It's funny actually because there are many mentions of honor killings in the Bible. None in the Quran. I think it's enough proof there to show honor killings are a cultural practice and not religious.

Salam

 

And yet it is still practice without consequences by those that are supposed to have submited to the will of God (Musulman).

I hear a "no true scottsman" falacy coming on....

 

Christian have outgrown their barbarism, the muslim are still a few century behind...

But the biggest problem of it all, is that those dumb (*)(*)(*)(*), like this guy, are bringing those barbaric "custom" with them.

If I was in charge of Immigration I would put in place what I call "The Bacon Test". If you want to come and live in my country, then you have to eat pork at each of your meal for a whole month, and no spitting is allowed.

That would take care of the more "radical" element right there in a non-violent way.

 

Yes because it's CULTURAL if it was about religion these people wouldn't be doing it.

As I said, of it has to do with Islam where are these people finding this in Islam's teachings?

Just a really messed up comment...

You'd prevent Muslims and Jews from immigrating to your country and you completely ignore the fact are radical Christians out there.... That's why you aren't leading a country.

Thank God.

Salam

 

Mainly they do and that is unfair. It should be portrayed mostly as a religious practice and not just limited to Islam, but without some sort of religion backing it, honor killings would cease altogther. We haven't had them outside of a religious backdrop since feudal Japan.

Having no way would mean having no way. You give some of the exceptions to the rule yourself where it is justified. Either there is a way or there isn't; you've shown yourself that there is.

I posted those hadiths for you earlier; Sunni hadiths at that. Yes, honor killing existed in some form or another before any of our modern religions. That does not take away from the people today who do them using these modern religions as justification for doing so now.

Mentions in the Bible would have it still being based on religion if someone were to use that as their justification for carrying out an honor killing; not strictly cultural.

Here are those Sunni hadiths again for your consideration; From the Sahih al-Bukhari: