If Biden wins, he should pardon Donald Trump

Thankfully felons cannot flee

 

You quoted the post in which I answered your question. "No, that is not the same situation". So no, Trump shouldn't pardon Biden. The country did not just spend four years with a president Biden. It does not need to move past Biden.

 

That is absolutely out of the question, and there is no way in hell will Biden do that. In fact, that Ford did it, he caught a lot of flack for that. At some point, we must acknowledge that what is 'good for the country' is that criminals, no matter what their station in life is, are held accountable for their acts, that no man is above the law, and when we treat those in high places above the law, that is very bad for the country.

Letting a corrupt man off the hook, especially someone like Trump, who has been skirting the law most of his life, would be demoralizing to the country.

If there is any hope of this country healing from the depths of depravity that Trump has sent this nation into, it is to let the chips of justice fall where they may, as they would with anyone else. those who argue his base will go flying off the handle, sure, they will make a lot of noise, at first, but trails have a way of bring out evidence, and when they see the mountains and mountains of evidence, including that against Barr, when the world sees just what these awful men have been doing, they will come around, and America will be the better for it.

To do otherwise would be tantamount to pulling scab off of a wound, and doing it all over again, when it reappears.

Seriously, you are as wrong as wrong can be.

 

I got bad news for you, that is a pardon they would not accept.

The joke's on you.

 

No. Nixon wasn't found guilty of anything. But, he saw it coming.

 

Because it is dangerous for our country to have a president think that the only way he/she can stay out of prison is to stay in power.

If this became the new reality, then God help us in the future. You think politics are vicious now. Putting former presidents in prison (even for a fully legitimate reason) would turn out national politics into (literal) blood sport.

We need each of our presidents to be able to look forward building their presidential library, writing their memoirs, and making half a million dollar a speech.

 

So we should give presidents a lifetime of exemption for violating law because they would become criminals otherwise.

Are you serious?

Yeh, no.

 

Worse than criminals. They might seriously try to use force to stay in office. Real force. Not the ridiculous stuff people like to claim that Donald Trump might do.

 

We have a chance at taking a majority. Then, if the right continues to obstruct the will of the people, as they have in the past, anything is possible

It's not that it is impossible, absolutes are impossible, but what is possible is things can be done to curb such behavior, Before Trump is was assumed presidents would act in good faith. Trump has proven that those assumptions can no longer be relied on, and laws must be made to make it criminal to do them.

 

What do you suppose a 'sanctuary city' is?

 

Off the top of my head, let me see........uh.....I might get the legal term wrong
on some of these...

“Extortion by officers or employees of the United States.” and “Coercion of political activity.” (his treatment of Zelensky, and the Senate didn't get him off the hook on the criminal side of this act).
Fraud ( during his presidency, Trump settled three lawsuits for fraud)
Illegal charity (spent charity funds for person use, legal bills, etc )
Racketeering
Money laundering ( these are being investigated )
Felony campaign finance violations/hush money defrauding the United STates
(named as 'individual-1' in the Cohen indictment )
Witness intimidation
Obstruction of justice (estimates are at least four counts per Mueller Report )
Perjury ( you don't have to be under oath to commit purjury to an FBI officer, he lied to Mueller, which was confirmed
by deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates, under oath).
Sexual Assault, Rape ( 25 women have accused him, some are bound to hold up in court )
Tax evasion (currently being investigated )
Finance crimes/bank fraud ( being investigated currently)
Ultra Vires ( calling a national emergency when there wasn't one )
Criminal Conspiracy ( handing classified info Russians in the oval office, though this is more of an impeachable offense, as president can declassify )

I'm sure there is more. He's being investigated by SDNY right now.

 

IF Trump faces any charges, they will most likely come out of the NY District Attorneys Office for irregularities in
the handling of his charity (which was shut down) or State Tax irregularities on the way he valued his property. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Trump handed a subpoena on the day he leaves office.

As it would be a state crime, not Federal, the President could not issue a pardon.

 

Governor Cuomo could. And probably would. He wants to get into higher office being merciful can be considered an asset.

 

Yes, Glenn Kirschner, former prosecutor for Mueller, 30 years as prosecutor ( he has a YouTube channel ) recommends a Presidential Crimes Commission, if Biden wins, to investigate everything he and barr did which was illegal, and it's a ton of stuff.

 

It's not that they can't, it's that, with Barr as AG, they won't.
The OLC memo needs to be updated.

 

If Biden goes down that road then the flip side of that coin is that every single person who helped him commit a crime should be pursued unti lthe legal avenues are exhausted. What was the number of Congressional investigations into Hilary? Was it 11? That seems fair. Drag each & every corrupt member of his family & his inner circle through every legal process available. Expose and prosecute every crime, whether committed by one of his brood, an advisor or the Attorney General. Let them spend every cent they have on legal fees, shame them publically and jail the guilty.

Make it clear to anyone contemplating such crimes in the future that the boss may get leniency, but they will pay the full freight. Maybe that will make people stop and think about the consequences of serving a corrupt & authoritarian President.

Of course, prosecuting Trump will likely have the same impact. He will throw anyone & everyone under the bus, from Pence & Barr to Stone, Flynn and on down to the kids. Barron is probably safe - vain men need an heir - and he might spare Ivanka because he thinks she's hot, but Uday, Qusay, Jarrod, even Melania would all be sacrificed if the thought it would save him. You have to admit, it would be a fun spectacle. Personally I'm not convinced Biden is vindictive enough to go after him, even with the ceasless attacks on his family, but other Dems won't be so restrained.

 

Trump did no such thing. He’s has been pressuring Barr to bring charges agasint all his political enemies just like any third world dictatator would, who is fighting to stay out of jail himself.

 

I suppose I should not need to explain the obvious.

 

There will be no charges drought agasint Biden just like none were brought agsaint Hillary. It’s just a rallyin* cry for Trump and his minions. Already, Trumpets have been tampering with ballots, just like they did last election. The vast majority of crooks are in the the gop, just like it has been from Nixon, to Reagan, to Bush and now Trump. We will find more and more election fraud irregularities with republicans when the election is over. THAT needs to be prosecuted. Inciting violence and election fraud are charges that even the gop should support agaisnts Trump in every state he held an election.

 

Inciting, committing violence and committing election fraud for starters. Miss using the justice department and being a General Dick head. Being a willing stooge for Putin is treason. It’s one of the main reasons why the Lincoln project was formed.

 

Many around him during the last election were indicted after the last election. It will be no different this time. The single biggest malfeasance Trump is exposed to, is inciting election fraud. He does it every day. He’s a crime boss on steroids, just like Putin, his sponsor and campaign manager.

Going after election fraud should be the first order of business for the Biden DOJ. No one is more critical for his actions, then those who knew him best, including family members of he and his lackies.

 

Please explain how the President has "Committed violence"....

 

Oh, you mean the offense Trump was impeached for ?

 

Hence the word “inciting” before the phase, “committing violence and committing election fraud.”
Tell us, you do know what “inciting” means. It’s a crime to do such things for these criminal acts.

 

This sounds like some good stuff, here....