If Buddha Speaks ! Perhaps you should listen

If Buddha speaks to me - and I hear the Truth - would God Object ?

If I believe in this Truth - Spoken from the mouth of Jesus - would Allah take offense ?

So the question here folks - is "What is the Truth"

but perhaps more importantly - does it matter where that Truth comes from - be it "Amen Ra" or El - El Shaddai - God of the Mountain - a God known to both the Canaanites and Abraham's kin - one of which the Muslims claim heritage - this God was known by epithet's "The Father - Creator - Almighty and so on"

Interesting God - that one - Gave Abrahamic Laws -

El was a God very different from this YHWH fellow who comes along later - xenophobic - flip flopping - genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.

El is much more like the Love neighbor as self God whom Jesus deferred and was subject to .

So does it matter where Truth comes from ?

and does God take offense if it comes from the wrong place ?

 

no god or any religious should fault you for seeking the truth and finding it - go ahead... eat from the tree of knowledge if you wish

 

There is no true Dhamma until there is a false Dhamma, when the False Dhamma arises he makes the True Dhamma to go away

If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.

Look to your ass, for it bears you.

 

It matters from the standpoint of that "Truth" possibly not really being Truth.

 

To answer that, within the confines of human logic, you will have to more carefully define the parameters of the question.

 

I am not looking to drift into the existential question "What is Truth" What is true for you - may be not true for me - and that is all that needs be going down dat rabbit hole.

The question of importance in the OP - is something different - to that question you must apply yourself Kazen - San

 

The people who point out an alleged dichotomy, I think do not truly understand the New Testament theology well.
(Matthew 10:34 being the most prominent example that comes to mind)

You have raised quite a number of deep issues in your opening post, and so it is difficult to go into all of them in detail.
Perhaps you should have tried to focus on one question. (You could have always linked to others in other separate threads)

 

Such a good and insightful book ! - "Make a guru unto no one"

one could debate not even yourself - In my case - especially not myself .. ?! - - -

 

I tried nicely in the last post to say that you have not figured out what the question is yet mate .. or at least shown no awareness of the primary question asked in the OP.

Did you need me to quote it for you mate ? - did ya not enter the Poll !

Suggest ye go back and do a bit more careful read dar matey ! Den come back wit somtin good now - ya year me !

 

You did not do a very good job explaining what you meant by the question. But I think I understand.
But then again, it's possible maybe what I think you mean is not what you actually meant.

 

I dunno where I heard this (maybe I made it up), but there is wisdom to found everywhere. You just have to be willing pick specs of it out from the piles of bullshit.

I suspect all gods appreciate us finding wisdom wherever we can.

 

Then there must be a lot of wisdom in the Religion & Philosophy section of this forum.

 

Not necessarily a lot. Definitely at least a little.

 

Giftedone, which one of the many questions in your opening post do you want me to answer? I will focus on only one of them.

 

Who you talkin to - and wat ya talkin about.

What alleged dichotomy - do you refer to - the relationship between El and YHWH is full of them - but Do feel free to point out where Jesus says which God he worships by name.

So you come up with

So Jesus believed in self defense - no problem with that - part of the messianic tradition of the day - Jesus being one of a number of Messianic figures - these were insurrection movements against Roman Authority - some of them small - some of them larger.

That Jesus had foresight into this future for those that tried to speak his Truth - does not require much prophetic ability.

His own disciples rebelled against him - a vacuous rabble at times -

How does this relate to this big secret dichotomy of yours ? - and how does this passage address that dichotomy.

 

Quoting from the OP - I though my trail of clues might lead you here - perhaps your failure as a Student is my Failure as a Teacher

"but perhaps more importantly - does it matter where that Truth comes from - be it "Amen Ra" or El - El Shaddai - God of the Mountain - a God known to both the Canaanites and Abraham's kin - one of which the Muslims claim heritage - this God was known by epithet's "The Father - Creator - Almighty and so on"

 

Many paths to the truth.

What is the truth? Well..I am IT, you are IT, we are It, they are IT...and that is THAT!

Or as the Hindus say... Tat vsam asi! Or Thou is That.

 

The main question here is "Would God take offense" if someone's Truth came from Jesus as opposed to Buddha ? and that person believed on one rather than the other ?

I think the general position would be no - hard to argue the Yes position in any case.

What happens when Truth comes into conflict - "To Pork or not to Pork" ? Each can choose his own path in a free society where each respects the belief of another.

How is law then justified on the basis of religious belief ?

This is why law on the basis of religious belief is internal hypocrisy - assuming one has answered "No"

 

I think you miss the point.

I was referring to the notion you brought up in the opening post (line 6 and 7).

 

Of course I don't miss the point - its my OP - I was the one who pointed out this dichotomy - between the nasty God YHWH - and the mysterious and quite different God of Jesus.

Abraham worshiped yet another God - which extends the dichotomy further .. - which God do you figure that I should believe in ?

and now to the question of the OP that you are desperate to avoid - having seemingly few words to describe your thoughts... "Does it matter where the Truth comes from ? is God going to be upset if we choose wrong.

So which God should I believe in - or - should I believe in all - or claim this Trinity is one if you like - and these are all the same God - or perhaps the more Gnostic that each is a different emanation from the Godhead.

Or perhaps I should believe in your God !? - Tell me your story - in which God do you believe ?

 

Knowing "truth", as with all else human, is based upon perception. Perception is subjective. Truth may be objective, but our only way to take it in is through our senses. One needs to remember this and temper action accordingly.

 

Yeah - that was question one. Now on to question 2. as per Post 20 ..

 

Given the answer to question 1, any answer to 2 is getting ahead of itself.

 

Existential gibberish - "All is relative" Yeah - I get that .. now try question 2 - as it has little to do with your answer to Q1.

One believes in God is the assumption - and go from there.

 

"Belief" may have nothing to do with knowing.