If cisgender girls can join the Boy Scouts, can cisgender boys join a girls sport team?

But if the boy scouts make a decision to allow girls it doesn't mean girls sports HAVE to allow boys to participate. Simple.

 

I don’t accept my personal experience as fact because I realize I am an individual on a planet with almost 8 billion people with different experiences. What happened in my troop — or my sisters troop — is not representative of the next troop or the organization as a whole.

Please that say their personal experience overrules fact or the experience of others are idiots.

 

As long as those organizations do not receive taxpayer money or operate as a public entity most people wouldn’t care. BSA was slightly different due to it being a kids organization and some people took issue with discrimination against children.

Private clubs and memberships (which both Scouts BSA and Girl Scouts are) have always been able to skirt accommodation requirements.

The only issue the old Boy Scouts invited from virtually everyone is when they banned gay children and the children of gay parents while they were simultaneously hiding sexual child abuse from their ranks by members who “identified” as heterosexual.

 

Which relevant law prevents the banning of gay people from any organisational entity? I guess it depends on what country you're talking about.

 

Sure, but I'm asking for what people's opinion is. Do you agree with girls joining Boy Scouts and boys joining girls sports?

 

If cisgender girls can join the Boy Scouts, can cisgender boys join a girls sport team?

Any girl can join the bankrupt boy scouts.

 

Oh really? Then why do people care so much about bakers agreeing to sell gay people anything in the shop, but just not agreeing to participate in their same sex wedding by using their creative artistic expression to create a custom wedding cake?

 

Correct. What's your point?

 

These gender issues with kids are the fault of the left's educational practices with stuffing trans/gay education down their throats.
This doesn't mean they shouldn't learn there are different people out there and get some brief education on the matter but they are practically stuffing it down these kids throats.
what's that mean?
This means CONFUSION.
What kind of confusion? Maybe a 13 year old boy is checking out a jacked/ripped dude walking down the street, just admiring the physique (not sexually), but now because all this stuff has been hammered into their heads in school they will be like "OMG, am I gay? bi? why did I just look at a dude"?
Its an extra layer of confusion that children just DO NOT NEED.
People don't need the educational system to tell them what THEIR own preferences are.

A person is gonna get a boner from looking at a girl, guy, both, or something in between.
They can figure this out on THEIR OWN.
I have a few quick stories of perfect examples of this.
My friend's neighbor has a 5 year old son. (I'll fake the name for respect purposes, we'll call him Sam)
She noticed this neighbor out and about with a little "girl" recently.
She happens to be on facebook later that evening and see's a post from her neighbor saying "Hi Everyone, Introducing my "daughter", SAMANTHA, with a picture of the boy in a dress.

Apparently, this little boy was crying because he wanted to wear dresses instead of "boy" clothes.
Next thing you know, the Mom is having this kid live out life as a girl.
What's next? I bet they put this kid on hormones for his "transition".
What happens when this kid actually hits puberty, finds out he actually likes women but now can't get any because hormones turned his penis into a SHEnis and he's got little bewbs by that point. I see that as a future suicide just waiting to happen.

Here's another quick story of how this stuff screws up kids. I have a friend with a 14 yr old niece with divorced parents. The girl is kind of on the chunky side and has low self esteem and the Mom makes many negative comments about her body. (horrible, i know, but at least the dad is very nice). This girl now wants to have her bewbs chopped off and to be put on male hormones. Not because she wants to be a man, but because, per her words, to remove the expectations of what a "pretty" girl should look like and this way she doens't have to live up to EITHER standard because she can associate as "non-binary". This silly idea would have never gotten into her head if it wasn't stuffed there. She probably would have done the normal approach and been like "maybe its time for some excercise and better food"

The "education" regarding this can be done in less than one class. "there are men and women and sometimes these people aren't comfortable with their birth gender and chose to identify as the gender they like. this is their choice, they should not be discriminated against and even if it doesn't make sense to you, use the pronoun they prefer. THE END"

 

I don't give a rats ass that the boy scouts organization CHOOSES to allow girls. I'm a grown adult who doesn't get bothered by such.
As for boys playing girls sports? Depends on age and sport. Boys and girls have been playing little league baseball and youth soccer for decades, which is no big deal. I think when it comes to adults and the more physical sports like, for example, MMA then no, Trans "women" should not be allowed to participate against biological women for obvious reasons.

 

I agree with this and I do think the reasons are SUPER obvious. That being said, why is this even up for discussion in the political world? This is a one and done, like "don't eat yellow snow". Its just super obvious.

 

You limited it to "cisgender" girls in your title.

 

Something tells me you wouldn't say it would be acceptable if an organisation banned heterosexual, white or Christian members. I'd object to any of that (since discriminating in anti-discrimination rules would be laughably hypocritical). That's where the "relevant laws and regulations" I mentioned come in.

In general, an organisation should have a good reason for restricting membership to any given class of people (and sometimes do) but the bottom line remains that any organisation is free to change their own rules in any way they want (even if they could face legal, regulatory or public opinion challenges as a consequence).

The BSA chose to change their membership criteria and it isn't your (or my) place to declare that they can't do that. Any single-sex organisation (such as a sports team) is similarly free to switch to co-ed or remain single-sex as they prefer, again in the context of any laws and regulations which apply to them.

 

I saw a video of a grown man in England break the women's dead lift record without even warming up. He said something to the effect that " I now identify as a woman", did the dead lift, and walks away with the record, right?

 

Do you assume that men and women then should be separated? If so, why? Aren't what we are trying to achieve in sport to determine the best? Isn't it supposed to support the equality of all?

 

They operate as a public venue. Open to the public vs membership only.

 

There are definitely arguments both for and against having sex segregation in some areas — the most visible one today being competitive sports.

Generally I think that adults can use their own best judgment. There is a ton of unnecessary sex segregation that is just based on historical precedent which have become cultural norms. Honestly I don’t know how to personally reconcile the issues surrounding competitive sports, especially physical sport, as I understand and agree with both sides.

 

Perhaps you forgot that this change happened when they were sued? And a court's findings or the fear of that finding forced the organization to change it's rules?

That that really wasn't the discussion, was it? The discussion was, since organizations can be forced by government to be inclusive, why then reserve an area of clear discrimination for women only sports? If I find that I wouldn't be successful in men's sports, can I not look towards women's sports for a cure? If not, then why must male sports teams not enjoy that same legal protection?

 

The poster who was posting.

 

Can I introduce you to the 14th amendment.......

 

Your point?

 

You should alert the MMA then as they have, actually allowed a trans MTF to participate as a women. I believe one of "her" fights ended up with the opponent having a broken skull... It begs the question though, what is the purpose fo sport? Is it to win an all costs, or is it to provide a safe environment to compete in? I don't believe in either of those statements, btw. But it certainly begs the question, if there aren't women's sports, would women be at all competitive in sport? And if not, doesn't supporting women only sports actively discriminate when women have sued to participate in men's sports?

 

Yes....I'm well aware of MMA allowing such...hence why I used that as an example.

 

Boxing is, to say the least, a very dubious "sport". Gladiatorial violence is barbaric. Any two people who want to fight may do so, but social approbation is, well, anti-social. The average woman who initiates physical violence with an average man is probably foolish at best. Nature has made clear the probable outcome. Which once again points up the fundamental reason two categories of sports have almost always been the norm.

 

Why are you so worked up over it?