If Democrats really think more weapons means more killing then

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Why did they send 700 million dollars in weapons to Ukraine in 2021 if

  1. Because they wanted the conflict to grow, and it did

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  2. Because agricultural land is a lot cheaper during a war

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  3. To boost defense industry profits

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why did they send 700 million dollars in weapons to Ukraine
    in 2021 if they didn't want the conflict to grow?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some information was released that BlackRock bought a huge amount of agricultural land in Ukraine,
    I would presume payment is dependent on actually receiving the land.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this serious?
    We do want more killing (of Russians invading an independent nation)

    Most people would prefer peace — Russia being crippled is the next best thing.
     
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    To kill Russians. That's what the weapons are designed to do, and it was a fairly bi-partisan decision.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    same reason we want our military armed

    but like more cars equals more car deaths, more guns equals more gun deaths
     
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    You're right, both Republicans and Democrats have been solidly in favor of arming Ukraine, but that is a totally different issue from ones involving the right of Americans to possess and use firearms in the U. S.
     
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    I think you proved that democrats aren't anti-gun.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. One thing has nothing to do with the other, which is why the OP is not making much sense.
     
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    Hmm... so much for the guns are bad narrative... But the reality of this post above is that progressives aren't actually against killing, just killing folks who don't agree with them. And then using government to force folks is perfectly acceptable.....
     
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    Guns are a tool with a primary purpose to kill as efficiently as possible

    What? Every republican in the United States continuously scream that they want guns for self defense

    Are you saying Ukraine shouldn’t be able to defend itself against an invading military force? Is that really your argument?
     
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    And thus, our right to own and use them is specifically protected by the constitution.
     
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    The left seeks a state monopoly on force; they know this cannot happen while the citizenry remains armed.
    This explains their incessant push for more and more and more unnecessary, ineffective, and unconstitutional restrictions on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding.
     
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    I just don't think it illustrates anything at all. Liberals tend to be against easy access by the general public to firearms, or at least regulation of said access. That is in no way comparable to sending weapons to help a nation defend itself against an aggressor. It's a pretty consistent narrative. Guns and other weapons are good for killing. We don't want our citizens killing each other. We do want Ukraine to repel the Russians and unfortunately this requires killing them. It's not about wanting the conflict to grow or not grow, it's about not letting Russia take over Ukraine just because it can, it's about reinforcing the norm that gobbling up weaker nations is not going to be tolerated.
     
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    Brilliant! You are among the first 1,000,000 people to bring up this false equivalency.
     
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    That simply isn't true.
    We sent the weapons over in 2021
    They weapons reached the front line and were put into use in 2022 Feb 16th,
    the only people the weapons could reach were the inhabitants of Donetsk and some other civilians.

    V Putin did as he promised to do and moved in forces to protect the civilians of E Ukraine.
    The most efficient way to do that, with the smallest numbers killed was to make a feint toward Kyiv,
    Zelensky pulled back the forces attacking E Ukraine, and the Russian forces moved in where they had been.

    The weapons we sent increased the killing and changed the war from a low level one into a much bigger one.
     
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    Maybe it provides more money for the Biden crime family clients in Ukraine to skim? Paraphrasing what one old crooked pol said many many years ago, "Do you realize how much of 2% of $700 million dollars is?"
     
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    Russian aggression vs Ukraine in various forms has been going on for many years. Putin did play a long game and an overt hostile takeover wasn't his first approach, but the goal all along has been to gobble up Ukraine as part of a plan to restore Russia to its former glory. You seem to have fallen victim to the propaganda aspect of his efforts.
     

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