If John Kerry had defeated Bush Jr., where would we be?

SFJEFF · Sep 12, 2013

Troianii said: ↑

Well if the man who got all his wealth from marriage defeated the guy who got all his wealth from his parents, we'd be in a bit of a different place. Though, you need to get your timeframe straight. The Iraq invasion happened before that election - John Kerry wouldn't have stopped the Iraq invasion and, if I remember right, he was for it before he was against it. Just a little bit of political opportunism, which is a lot harder when you're the president.

So, if he won, opposition to the surge probably wouldn't have happened, the housing market would have crashed anyways, the war in iraq would have gone on, 2008 would've probably been more friendly in the gop camp to someone who wasn't a neo-conservative, and the gop might have gotten an electable candidate nominated and won in 2008.

But all in all, not much would have changed.
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I agree with almost all of that. The premise of this thread is a fail in the first place because Kerry couldn't uninvade Iraq.

Bluesguy · Sep 12, 2013

SFJEFF said: ↑

Okay- so you were just as reckless with the truth- as you claim Kerry was- and that you claimed was a "Democratic" style- thanks for the admission.

And you still can't point out anything false that Kerry said during his Vietnam testimony- so your whole outrage was just pretty much reckless claims- that you castigated Kerry for.

Why should I bother wasting my time on your other claims when you can't even back up the first ones you made?

As I said- I am defending Kerry the veteran against attacks on his service to his country - and about his testimony to Congress about Vietnam.

You want to make reckless claims about Kerry conduct after the Vietnam war, go for it- I won't even bother to look them up and find out whether any of these claims are true.
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He admitted he was wrong stop using it as a reason to dodge the issue.

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JimH52 said: ↑

And he still would have made a better President than the recovering cowboy alcoholic.
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How he is certainly doing lousy against the despots and terrorist of the world compared to Bush. I guess I could say and the cokehead pot smoking recovering President, but then that would be petty wouldn't it?

johnmayo · Sep 12, 2013

SFJEFF said: ↑

Okay- so you were just as reckless with the truth- as you claim Kerry was- and that you claimed was a "Democratic" style- thanks for the admission.

And you still can't point out anything false that Kerry said during his Vietnam testimony- so your whole outrage was just pretty much reckless claims- that you castigated Kerry for.

Why should I bother wasting my time on your other claims when you can't even back up the first ones you made?

As I said- I am defending Kerry the veteran against attacks on his service to his country - and about his testimony to Congress about Vietnam.

You want to make reckless claims about Kerry conduct after the Vietnam war, go for it- I won't even bother to look them up and find out whether any of these claims are true.
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Please don't dodge. Let me get my answer. You got your concession. It means little, why harp on it? Do you think Kerry was right on Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, and Syria? What war do you think he got right at the outset and what war didn't he change his mind on?

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