If Josef Stalin had "truly repented & accepted Christ" on his death bed...

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Correct, just as the color of a unicorn does not matter when evaluating its existence.
     
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    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    Do most people believe in unicorns?
     
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    Either God it is not omnipotent or God is a sadist
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The biblical God couldn't defeat iron chariots.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope...and opinion has no place in evaluating reality beyond the individual. There are many people who believe the Earth is Flat but that does not change the truth.
     
  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    God doesn't punish. He warns people of the consequences of their actions, but not because He is going to punish them since God cannot negate from His own Creation, but because their actions will affect everyone and everything in existence - including the earth.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Which christian teaching?

    Christianity has hundreds if not thousands of different faiths each of which differs in what they believe. Including and especially how salvation is achieved.

    So no he would not necessarily get into heaven, depending on which christian view is correct
     
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    Where are those kingdoms that once had ? ? "iron chariots" today.
    Where are they.

    And where are the "biblical God's" kingdoms today?

    A promise made to Issac. Or was it Abraham/Abram?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you feel that you are without sin? ....or perhaps do you believe there are degrees of sin like Catholicism teaches? I have always founded that the "degrees of son" theology to be a little flake. Besides being outside of Biblical teaching, it leads to petty discussions like..... "your sin is worse than mine" or :maybe I beat my wife, but I've never Killed anyone". I'll stick with "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". We've all missed the mark so we can't point fingers. If Joseph Stalin repents, that's between him and God. Thing is, it would be a miracle if someone who had committed so many atrocities had it within them to have the humility required. It is hard to comprehend....but with God, all things are possible. I point to the one thief on the cross next to Jesus. He admitted his guilt. He couldn't do anything to make up for it. He was nailed to that cross, but he truly believed and repented. He acknowledged Jesus for who He is. Jesus said it....".tonight you'll be with me in paradise" and I believe it.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read the scriptures and prayerfully consider for yourself. That is how it is done my friend.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christianity is flexible and adaptable to all cultures and customs and that's how it should be. God is not an elitist. He wants all humanity to unite with Him in His realm irrespective of the traditions they feel most comfortable with. I started my spiritual journey from atheism with Evangelical books first, and then progressed to the lives of Catholic Saints.

    I am Orthodox, so when the Soviet Union broke down books became available on lives of Russian saints as well as translations of Greek books. But look that's me and how I progressed. Everyone is different.

    In the early Church there were different views and heresies, so in the year 325 the Emperor Constantine called an ecumenical council in the city of Nicea of all the Christian bishops to establish a Creed. The following is what all Christian faiths believe, otherwise they shouldn't call themselves Christian - because they're not.

    The Nicene Creed

    We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end.
     
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    That is irrelevant as it is not the point.

    There is no right answer
     
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    Yes they are.

    Christianity is only defined as someone who believes in the jesus character. The Council of Nicea only defined it for their government and they are no deciding authority
     
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    Christianity was not defined for any government, nor did it have to do with any government. The Saints and Fathers of the Church defined what is false belief and what is truly the Word of God, and it was universal then and it is universal now. The Church established itself through the love, martyrdom and miracles of the Apostles and Saints before the council was called, otherwise there wouldn't have been a need to define anything. A little logic here.

    As for the so called 'Jesus' character, He split the world into BC and AD - and as for you, you can squirm back to your BC, because it doesn't seem you're ready yet for AD.


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    Darkness reigns without the light,
    with souls a-wandering in the night,
    in search of peace, they cannot find,
    for it's before them, not behind.
     
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    Nice rant but it does not alter the fact that you are wrong

    There are literally hundreds of Christian faith and beliefs and you do not represent the one truth
     
  16. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christianity is the Creed, anything other than that is not considered Christianity and shouldn't be called Christianity. What you are thinking of are the different traditions that people have so they could attain Divinity/Theosis and be with God in His Kingdom. That's purely cultural. God never intended for everyone to be the same. The Tower of Babel comes to mind.

    As for those who feel others must worship the way they do to be 'saved', it seems they're more in love with themselves than God. Anyway it is spiritual immaturity and it's the only way they can relate to God.
     
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    Wrong it is not a creed it is simply a belief in the Jesus character.

    Anyone who believes in jesus as a god is a christian and that is what christianity is.

    It is not defined by a creed
     
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    The Lord did not leave us hanging as you would imply. There is an answer. He sent His Holy Spirit as a teacher just as He said and we have his Written Word. It seems you prefer to pursue the ever changing doctrine of men.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    There is no one true doctrine of jesus all of those doctrines or men as you call them are equally valid there is no one interpretation more right than others
     
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    You go to the One true Source, the scriptures. Those that prayerfully study the Bible are of one accord. Sure some may emphasis differently, but we are in general agreement. One Body....the Body of Christ.
     
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    But isn't that what the Creed defines? Read it again.
     
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    I do not know about Christianity.

    According to Judaism, only G-d can judge him on his Afterlife.

    Joseph Stalin was the mortal human who did the most to save Humankind from Nazism and Holocaust. He had great sins and great merits. Only G-d can judge.
     
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    Christian teaching is diverse. Not monolithic. That's only basically American born agains who believe something like that. It doesn't matter though, it's all made up, so I don't really care what they believe. When Stalin died, he died, just like everyone else.
     
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    Which goes for your opinions, correct?
     
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    Huh? Americans are only 5% of the world's population. There are 600,000,000 global evangelicals, not counting many of other denominations who agree with that.
     

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